Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

[Tracy C.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

John,
I appreciate your reply and input as far as BJ is concerned but my concern is that now that it is public knowledge, potential buyers at private sales will demand that the seller (NCRS member) provide Award confirmation. That costs us, NCRS members, $300 to prove that we have attained a Top Flight award. Will NCRS give it's dues paying members a discount that you state they may have given to Barrett-Jackson?
Rick

Rick,

You've been around long enough to know that the presence of a ribbon and/or an "authentication certificate" is no guarantee the car is still in "top flight" condition.

If your buyer is serious about buying your car in a private sale, let them spend the $300 to try and prove your lying about the ribbon.

tc

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Well, it seems by reading the archived thread that this is not the proper forum to resolve this issue. It also seems to me that the powers to be do not read the TDB, as none of them respond to members concerns, even though this is not the proper forum. Either they don't read the TDB or they hide behind it.
Whatever, I am not going to pay $300 to confirm an award that I won and paid for in a judging fee if someone questions the worthless paper and ribbon given to me at the awards ceremony.
Maybe I can get a refund on my annual $35 renewal fee that I paid 10 days ago. I'll call Monday to find out.
Rick

[Clark K.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Also noted that the 66 67 big block prices were real low yesterday. Way off from 6 months prior, Terry from proteam got at least one for 68k, wait 'till that is on the showroom floor for 95k.

That's no joke, but Terry Michaelis is in business to sell vintage Corvettes for a profit. I am happy with my "ProTeam car". It was pricey, but I got the rare car I wanted and have no regrets.

Speaking of Terry M., his website tells me why Roy Sinor is at Barrett-Jackson. Roy is one of the panelists, with Terry Michaelis and four other well-known Corvette experts, at B-J's "3rd Annual Corvette Market Seminar". -Clark

[Clark K.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Seems all two of my good friends are stepping forward to take a shot. Not me in Scottsdale, perhaps an impersonator? I reckon Elvis and I are the two most impersonated folks around. Note that NO one impersonates Dickie, jury is still out on TC.
Back to Texas tomorrow. Best regards,

I'm sorry that my post caused some shots at you, Charlie. The B-J Auction coverage showed a guy that "kinda looked like you" but the view was from quite a distance and I wasn't sure. The guy I noticed was standing next to Roy and had on what looked to be a Corvette sports shirt, the one with all models of the Corvette printed on it. Plus, the guy was smiling, like you always do. -Clark

[Loren L.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

It is NOT B-J's seminar; it is put on by Keith Martin of Sports Car Market and Corvette Market; it was at Russo/Steele in prior years but has apparently turned to B-J in conjunction with Keith's return from purgatory after eating Craig's food while decrying his auction methods which =ed expulsion.

[Roy S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

[Clark K.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

It is NOT B-J's seminar; it is put on by Keith Martin of Sports Car Market and Corvette Market; it was at Russo/Steele in prior years but has apparently turned to B-J in conjunction with Keith's return from purgatory after eating Craig's food while decrying his auction methods which =ed expulsion.

The seminar is being held at B-J, so, technically, my statement was correct: "..at Barrett-Jackson's 3rd Annual...". I realize that the magazine is the real host about which I did not elaborate. -Clark

[Tyler T.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

I would think that if the requester was the one who recieved the awards then the service should be free. That person has spent far more than $300 to get the awards and dinging him again does not seem fair.

Tyler

[Robert G.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Well said Roy, Dick and others, it shows the powers that be are willing to step up and answer concerns. However, Roy if this is true: "I applaud Barrett-Jackson of trying to clean up misrepresentation where it can be cleaned up. That is a positive step forward for honesty in the hobby." Why did B-J stop publishing VINs on their web site?
My chief concern regarding this whole confirmation service is that it will end badly, despite any disclaimers that NCRS and B-J may make to bidders.

[Rick S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Roy,
I don't have a problem with what happened at BJ.

This what I am complaining about.

I would think that if the requester was the one who recieved the awards then the service should be free. That person has spent far more than $300 to get the awards and dinging him again does not seem fair.

Tyler

Plus, we are not requesting that the car be inspected/judged, we are requesting that we in fact did receive an award and to receive a piece of paper to confirm that. And for this we will be charged $300??

Why don't we do something like the 3 major credit report agencies, one free report a year, anything more, assess a fee.

Rick

[Henry S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Roy,
Who writes the $300 check for the confirmation? If it is the seller, who paid to have his car judged in the first place, he's getting double dipped. As Rick pointed out members shouldn't be charged for something they already have.

Along these lines, are the NCRS awards/documentation that easy to forge? If that is the case then maybe that's what needs to be worked on. I guess in this day and age that EVERYTHING else on the car can be counterfeited it stands to reason docs can be also. If that's the case then in a few years then there will be fake $300 confirmations popping up. Then of course that would open the doors for a $500 "confirmation of the confirmation". Where does it end?

Roy you've worked tirelessly along with many others in your efforts to help make the NCRS the great organization it is today. And ALL our members, new and old, benefit from your hardwork. From my standpoint your attendance at BJ was in that capacity and I don't think that should be questioned. Anytime you have the quality/quantity of Corvettes like that gathered in one place it's more the norn that you will have several NCRS members or officials on hand to enjoy them.

[Brian M.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

These are my feelings. My car was never judged prior to my 6 flight awards, I'd like to have the Confirmation letter but not for and additional 300.

I would think that if the requester was the one who recieved the awards then the service should be free. That person has spent far more than $300 to get the awards and dinging him again does not seem fair.

Tyler

[Rick C.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

I think you guys need to quit whining.

If I ever finish a car and get it flight judged, I will be more than happy with a certificate and a ribbon. The objective of this organization is restoration and enjoyment of our cars. If you take a step beyond and start looking at getting some big bucks for your car and you are using the work of a bunch of volunteers on the judging field to do so, then I think there shoud be no complaints about $300. Let's try to differentiate between what NCRS is all about and what Barrett-Jackson is all about.

Rick

[John D.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Loren, chapter awards are not numbered. Regional and National are numbered and have the corporate seal on them.

With that said, most do not know that is part of the authenticity of awards

JD just checked to see if DW knew what he was talking about. On two certificates that the LWC got at two regionals both of them are numbered.
Seven Springs, PA. June 08. No. 35-511.
Chapter certificate I received with the 63 are not numbered although there is a place for the number.
Marlborough regional.. Certificate numbered 34-127.
Neat info as I never paid attention to that detail. JD

[David S.]

Re: Roy Sinor Seen at Barrett-Jackson

Guys,

Unless I'm missing something here I think there are a few misconceptions. The confirmation service is not necessary for the enthusiast that just received an NCRS Award on their Corvette. Obviously if you take your car to the judging field and receive a Top Flight, your Corvette has a Top Flight. The confirmation service comes into play if you go to sell your car and the potential buyer does their homework. They can call the NCRS and say I'm looking to purchase Corvette XYZ does it have awards.



-Dave