Fraud on the EEEE???

[Tom S.]

Re: Fraud on the EEEE???

I reported this FRAUD TO THE FLEA BAG AGAIN. I don't think they will do any more than they did the last time which was nothing.. I hope the high bidder realizes what he is getting. It is not a bad car, it just is not #'s matching or original . Either phrase does not describe this car..Tom

[Roy B.]

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You did the right thing but many don't. You spent time and money to check it out ,but many people don't and "lose" time and money .Same with parts , some do and many don't know an original part if it bit them, but still list it as original even when I some times try to point it out to them as you did. This will never stop in my life time. Again and again buyer be ware !! If your spending big $$$ know what your buying or get some one that does. I get tired of hearing people complain about a car or part they bought with out knowing what the hell they're doing.
Trust but verifie isn't that common knowledge anymore.

[John H.]

Re: Fraud on the EEEE???

eBay processes 177,000 new auctions every day, hundreds of which are cars that are outright frauds; unless an auction is specifically in violation of the eBay listing rules, you can "report" it all you like, but nothing will happen. That's just the way it is - unless a bidder is knowlegeable about the item and has done his homework, disappointment is only a keystroke away. I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.

[Tom S.]

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John
I agree and know where you are coming from. My idea is that if every NCRS member that runs into a fraud reports that fraud things might be better for some unknowing buyer.I remember a few years ago a fist fight at the Florida regional over a misrepresented car..It took several deputies to break it up.The buyer had the car checked out by a NCRS judge after buying it..Wrong way to do it!As I said I reported this fraud to Flea Bag but I know they won't do anything.I geuss what I am saying we all need to look out for each other. Tom Stanton #41491

[Ronald L.]

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John,
That is no excuse to listen to their customers. I just spent the last few minutes in their chat session, everyone has to speak up. It is more than just this car, if they start to loose business they will start to pay attention or someone else will develop a better site.

[John H.]

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John,
That is no excuse to listen to their customers. I just spent the last few minutes in their chat session, everyone has to speak up. It is more than just this car, if they start to loose business they will start to pay attention or someone else will develop a better site.

Ron -

I understand what you're saying, and I agree. However, let me play the devil's advocate a bit on this one. With 177,000 new auctions posted instantly/automatically with no screening every day, including hundreds of fraudulent/misrepresented cars, how are they going to determine which ones are at what level of misrepresentation/fraud and take them down?

[Ronald L.]

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John, they do have a special team for ebay motors. They also have a vested interest in that they have a buyer protection plan. It would seem they have a business model of laze faire and if there is an issue, sue after the fact.

So say this car goes for 50k and it is really worth 25k because it is a fake, evidence exits in the free domain that the seller knew this long before the second listing. Who loses when the buyer sues for fraud? ebay and the seller. I guarantee ebay wants nothing to do with a headline news case.

In this retoactive example no question on who really loses - but that does not fix this topic of ebay being proactive.

The point is this, it is not just one person that said this, it was more than one and hopefully a lot of the guys listening took that 5 minutes to send that email (which they have all that I sent on file). I even posted this link. If they do not react it is real clear, buyers will go elsewhere.

In this hobby there is fraud everywhere. There was way back in 1977 when I bought my first Corvette and it has not stopped. Parts are worse. Parts stamped in the 80's or 90's now look old a crusty and not like a fresh fake job.

In the end we still have some free speech - use it while it lasts. From there, it is this NCRS forum with the collective knowledge and expertise that can help those that are interested in originality versus turning these cars into chop rods or what ever...

[Steve B.]

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Could be because it is red. But the original statement by the seller galls me. If he did not know that is one thing. But he does, I pointed out what I could and the guy acted like he was flabergasted. I geuss he wasn't. Tom

"The thing about money is it makes you do things that you don't want to do" From the movie Wall Street.

[Tom S.]

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Ron
I agree 100% could not have explained the situation better myself. If everyone does thier part this situation will not be nearly as bad as it is now.

[Tom S.]

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Its back! I don't know who this guy is but he has 6 C-2'S listed on the flee. I do not know if they are all frauds or not? If someone lives near Lexington ky. it would be nice if he could check this fleet out!

[Ray G.]

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Its back! I don't know who this guy is but he has 6 C-2'S listed on the flee. I do not know if they are all frauds or not? If someone lives near Lexington ky. it would be nice if he could check this fleet out!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110533052662&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_1399wt_972

This Corvette is advertised in many places.

[Tom S.]

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Does anyone know who this guy is?? He told me he was a red hat judge. I do not know what his last name is so its tough to look him up. I would like to know who this guy is ........Thanks Tom

[Don H.]

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Some free advice for you - Stop obsessing over this bozo and his ads. His ad with print the size of kindergarten text, lack of any detail whatsoever, and misspellings up the yazzoo just screams out at anyone with half a brain to avoid this car like the plague.

Let him run his ads, and collect his sub-reserve bids. If anyone buys a car from him, they deserve to have their money taken away from them. Some people have to learn their lessons that way. That's why this bozo exists. Think of him as a teacher. Let him go; focus on more productive things.

You're welcome

[Bill I.]

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Don, Sorry, but I don't see it your way. The guy is in your words a 'bozo', no question about that.
I have to stand with Tom on this one. I would like to see the guy prosecuted by law enforcement for fraud. Bill

[Tom S.]

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Don
I will say I have to agree. What I am trying to do is keep this guy up in the forefront so that everyone who uses this board is aware!! If someone does not throughly check out a car of this type before buying shame on them. But on the other hand if the info is not there you cannot blame the buyer totally. I am trying to help educate the un-educated as people on this board have educated me. Tom Stanton #41491