66 starter rehab

[Jim S.]

I got my recently purchased Starter back from R&R Thursday. Here is my interpretation of how it should look based on all the Archive pictures and comments I found.

I fiqured I would get you thoughts before I shelve it away for eventual reinstall .

Jim

[Joe L.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

I got my recently purchased Starter back from R&R Thursday. Here is my interpretation of how it should look based on all the Archive pictures and comments I found.

I fiqured I would get you thoughts before I shelve it away for eventual reinstall .

Jim

Jim-------


It appears pretty much correct to me. The solenoids were sometimes painted and sometimes not. However, when they were not, I always thought they were zinc plated. This one appears to be natural steel. I don't recall that.

[Jim S.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Hi Joe,

You probably right. (about it being Natural steel ) . I bought it totally repainted in black from stem to stern. Rivets , screws , entire nose , even some of the connections. I took it all back to bare metal and created this interpretation. This was probably one of the painted Solenoids.

Since it looks wrong the way it is , I will paint it . Easier to maintain that way too.

That's why I asked !

Thanks,

Jim

[Jack H.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

My recollection is the large slot head screws holding the starter's field windings to the case were black oxide finished, not natural, cad/zinc or painted to match the outer case...

[Jim S.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

My recollection is the large slot head screws holding the starter's field windings to the case were black oxide finished, not natural, cad/zinc or painted to match the outer case...

Hi Jack,

That could well have been another variation . I looked at several supposedly original pics from the archives and some had the screws natural. The pics I saw of the screws being black , I assumed were painted . I don't remember anymore what post I downloaded this (enclosed) picture from , but I do recall it saying it was just removed from a 66-67. It was the one I used as an example for my rehab .

In my case , I only know that when I chemically stripped the paint off, this was what was underneath. There was no buffing or sanding of the screws.

Maybe that is why the JG is so vauge on this subject.There might be several variations, and all are correct.

Thanks,

Jim

[Jack H.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Interesting...this pix shows a Philips head screw holding the starter field windings while the prior pix showed a slot-head. If memory serves, starters used slot head screws up to approximately 1970 when they became Philips heads...

[Jim S.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

I saw that too.

I looked at the Latest 66 JG and it says .........." Has large slotted flat head screws............ Later starters use phillips screws" . No mention of how much later.

By the way the latest JG that I mentioned above , also has a picture of the starter and screw. It shows it as plain or plated. Can't tell which as it is a black and white photo.

Jim

[Joe L.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Interesting...this pix shows a Philips head screw holding the starter field windings while the prior pix showed a slot-head. If memory serves, starters used slot head screws up to approximately 1970 when they became Philips heads...

Jack-----


For the most part, starters with part numbers beginning with 1107 use the slotted screws for field coil shoe retention. Starters with part numbers beginning with 1108 use the phillips screws. There are likely exceptions to this rule, but I don't think very many.

For the most part, starters with the 1108xxx part numbers first appeared about 1968.

[Edward J.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Jim, did they paint the alum. nose black for the mid year cars? manuel trans. cars where all black and auto cars where natural.maybe your car is a manuel trans.

[Joe L.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Jim, did they paint the alum. nose black for the mid year cars? manuel trans. cars where all black and auto cars where natural.maybe your car is a manuel trans.

Edward-----


The starters were the same for manual or automatic trans with all small blocks during the C2 period. On some of these that I believe were original, the starter nose is bare aluminum. On others, it's painted, apparently with the complete starter assembly. The portion of the nose that resides inside the bellhousing is always unpainted or, at least, mostly unpainted.

[Edward J.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Thanks Joe.

[Jim S.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

Edward Johnson (49497)Jim, did they paint the alum. nose black for the mid year cars? manuel trans. cars where all black and auto cars where natural.maybe your car is a manuel trans.Edward Johnson

Hi Joe,

Does the above question sound familiar ? That was my question a few days ago .

Painted my Solenoid yesterday, Looks better that way !


Now I am onto the steering linkage installation . Since I had rare weekend off. This hobby is not for those who don't know what they are doing !!!!
I have two posts on it as well .

So if I have not said it enough, Thanks to you and all the others who help me get it right !!!


Jim

[Jack H.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

That's a good memory assist tool, Joe! I wonder why Delco went SO LONG in continuing to use slot-head screws for this application?

They 'live' in a hostile environment and often 'chew up' during rebuild/overhaul R&R work...

[John P.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

All of the information Dad and I have collected(archives,pictures,and interviews with engineers and line workers from the early 50s through the early 80s) shows that the starter was painted as an assembled unit,so the rivets,pole shoe screws,etc.would also be painted.The solenoid was masked in some instances,so you saw both painted and plated units.Joe is right on the pole shoes,slotted in the 7000 series and phillips on the 8000 series(with some exceptions on Pontiac units) I have seen NO credible evidence of starters delivered with an unpainted drive end or commutator end.There would be a greater possibility of a completely unpainted starter.Typical factory production was to paint the entire starter.

[Joe L.]

Re: 66 starter rehab

All of the information Dad and I have collected(archives,pictures,and interviews with engineers and line workers from the early 50s through the early 80s) shows that the starter was painted as an assembled unit,so the rivets,pole shoe screws,etc.would also be painted.The solenoid was masked in some instances,so you saw both painted and plated units.Joe is right on the pole shoes,slotted in the 7000 series and phillips on the 8000 series(with some exceptions on Pontiac units) I have seen NO credible evidence of starters delivered with an unpainted drive end or commutator end.There would be a greater possibility of a completely unpainted starter.Typical factory production was to paint the entire starter.

John------


I agree. I have several NOS starters, including one manufactured in 1970, and all appear to be completely painted black as an assembled unit. This also includes one or two with aluminum noses.

I don't know what to make of the ones with aluminum noses I've seen that were unpainted. They appeared to be original, but they may not have been.