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  • Steve D.
    Expired
    • February 1, 2002
    • 990

    Engine quits after running at no load

    63, 327, LT-1 cam, B-28 vac can, 9 deg initial at 700, no recorded vacuum readings, plugs gapped @ 0.035, solid lifters set (today) by Hinckley-Williams cold set method


    I hope this isn't a premature post, because I have read enough threads and archives to suspect a timing problem.

    I ran the car around the block, then let it idle (idling 700) before checking timing. After approximately 5 minutes idling the engine died. It was difficult to start immediately afterward. Engine temp was 180 on temp gauge, 165 by IR, ambient 60 deg. After cooling down a little, it started right up. I decided to experiment. I turned the idle up to 1800 and let it run. After 5-10 minutes it quit. Temps essentially the same (180 gauge, 165 IR). Easy to start after some cool down. Repeated at 1200 with same result. During the the last run I was randomly spotting temps with the IR when I noticed significant differences in the exhaust port temps of various cylinders. I pointed the IR directly at each of the exhaust ports (manifold at head) and recorded the following temps by cylinder: 1-370, 5-475, 5-460, 7-480, 2-300, 4-550, 6-650, 8-580. I haven't calibrated the IR, so the absolute temps may be suspect, but what struck me as odd were the relative magnitude differences of cylinders 4, 6 and 8 compared to the others. Asuuming that the readings are not total bogus, what would cause one bank of cylinders to run hotter than the others? Is this symptomatic of the "engine quit" syndrome?

    Steve
  • William C.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1975
    • 6037

    #2
    Re: Engine quits after running at no load

    Have you blocked the heat passages in the intake? Today's gas does not idle well in a hot carburetor. What carb? What intake? what vacuum at idle? At what point does the distributor mechanical advance start to pull in? How much vacuum at idle? What CR?
    Bill Clupper #618

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    • Steve D.
      Expired
      • February 1, 2002
      • 990

      #3
      Re: Engine quits after running at no load

      1) No, but I have copied suggested remedies from the archives
      2) Carburetor_Edelbrock Performer (600 CFM)
      3) Intake manifold_GM 3844461
      4 Have not recorded vacuum measurements. Guess I'll break down and buy a gauge.
      5) Have not mapped distributor curve.
      6) Have not calculated CR, but pistons are domed, so estimated CR is between 10.5 and 11.25.

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      • William C.
        NCRS Past President
        • May 31, 1975
        • 6037

        #4
        Re: Engine quits after running at no load

        Do you have the spacer block and stainless steel heat shield under the carburetor? Reference the 300 hp AIM configuration.
        Bill Clupper #618

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        • Timothy B.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • April 30, 1983
          • 5177

          #5
          Re: Engine quits after running at no load

          Steve,

          Try another coil if you have a spare.

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          • Duke W.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • January 1, 1993
            • 15610

            #6
            Re: Engine quits after running at no load

            It's possible you have some bad plug wires on the cylinders with low temps - intermittent misfires, and like Clup is suggesting, it could also be a vapor lock issue. Wire open the heat riser.

            I recommend a normal hot idle speed of 900 in neutral, and it should pull about 12" manifold vacuum. I also recommend at least 12-14 deg. initial timing to bring the total idle timing up to close to 28-30 degrees and it should be steady.

            Does the engine just quit - like you turned off the ignition or does it begin to loose speed and then stall?

            The initial should be set at below where the centrifugal curve starts, which is about 700.

            Once you get into some testing you should advance the timing to the detonation limit. If it's the original '63 distributor it only has 24 degrees total centrifugal and the curve is real lazy.

            Duke

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            • Steve D.
              Expired
              • February 1, 2002
              • 990

              #7
              Re: Engine quits after running at no load

              Tim

              The coil is brand new. I changed it out while chasing a previous issue.

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              • Timothy B.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 30, 1983
                • 5177

                #8
                Re: Engine quits after running at no load

                Steve,

                Just a FWIW but the new coil could also be breaking down. If after trying what Bill and Duke suggest keep it in mind..

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                • Steve D.
                  Expired
                  • February 1, 2002
                  • 990

                  #9
                  Re: Engine quits after running at no load

                  The heat riser is gone; replaced with a spacer.

                  When the engine quits, it is like turning off the ignition switch.

                  Plug wires are new. Is the 600 degree range on the right bank the expected normal range?


                  Steve

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                  • Duke W.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • January 1, 1993
                    • 15610

                    #10
                    Re: Engine quits after running at no load

                    That suggests an electrical issue - something in the ignition system including the switch and the cowl body connector.

                    The next time it happens check to see if there is voltage to the coil and if the breaker plate is grounded.

                    If it was a vapor lock or loss of advance issue, the idle speed would drop off before it stalls.

                    With 26-34 degrees total idle timing the manifolds should measure around 500 degrees, and it should be fairly consistent across all cylinders.

                    What kind of "new" plug wires do you have? The date-coded repro wires have a reputation for poor quality.

                    Duke

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