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  • Gary R.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 1, 1989
    • 1796

    C2 & C3 Steering box grease

    Hi Guys
    I was emailed a thread from the forum I no longer visit,(CF),about greasing steering boxes. I know many of you visit there and can them the correct information because God knows there is a lot of misinformation there from what I have been shown.
    Using gear oil,engine oil or mixtures of them will result in leaking from the seals or adjusting nut. Using those zerk fitting screws in the cover may work but may also result in over packing grease and it will weep out. I have shown here and elsewhere where I've opened many old boxes and you can see where the new grease didn't mix with the old hard packed grease. It didn't offer any benefit other the false security that the box was now "good".
    The best way to lube a 40 year old box is to remove it,clean out the old grease,use new synthetic grease,install new seals and adjust it. Of course going this far I always recommend rebuilding the box since most of them need it anyway and most of the adjustments are off. Incorrect adjustment will result in wear on the center tooth of the pitman shaft and then it's worn out and useless. Many of the boxes I rebuild that were previouly serviced fall into this catagory so be sure of what you're doing.
    Lastly I no longer use or recommend Mobil 1 grease. I stopped using it in boxes and rear bearings based on what I've found over the past year with what I was told is a new formulation. It always had a oil separation issue compared to other greases and combined with heat buildup caused some weeping past threads and seals.
    Good luck
  • Dale O.
    Frequent User
    • May 31, 1995
    • 52

    #2
    Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

    Jeez Gary now what do I do. I rebuilt my steering box and rear bearings with Mobil !. You know when I was looking for Mobil 1 synthetic grease, I found two types with differing heat ranges and choose the higher one. Can you comment on what your using now and how you think it would be a better choice.
    Regards,
    Dale

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    • Gary R.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 1, 1989
      • 1796

      #3
      Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

      Dale
      I have a LOT of boxes and T/A's out there with the Mobil 1 in them. If you haven't seen any weeping from the box you're ok. Same with the bearings.

      Like some rebuilders I could tell you I use "special" grease made to my spec and only avail by me but that's a different story. I use Timken grease in the bearings now and plain old Coastal Gold in the box. You can buy the coastal from any auto zone for 1/2 the price of Mobil 1. The Timken grease may be harder to find.

      I would not break down your work. If you over packed the box it will weep past the adj nut threads,even with High Temp Permatex thread sealant.

      I only mentioned this because it's alarming what I see and read on various sites.

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      • Rich P.
        Expired
        • January 12, 2009
        • 1361

        #4
        Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

        Gary,

        I agree with you. I just rebuilt 2 boxes this week end and for the first time used the Coastal Gold and it was very nice. Just the right viscosity, it sucked nicely into the worm gear track.
        I also agree on the mobil one syn. grease. I stopped using it some time ago as I found that it was seperating in the tub. You would ge a clear oil build up on the top.

        Rich

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        • Timothy B.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • April 30, 1983
          • 5177

          #5
          Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

          Gary,

          I am cleaning/overhauling the box off my 67 and someone was there before me and overgreased the box full. I think it's going to take me longer to clean the frame of the leaking grease than overhaul the box.

          It's a real mess but fortunately no one touched the adjustments and the gears look good at the centering position. The sector gear is almost 100% with the radial lines from manufacture and no wear on ball nut.

          I plan on adjusting the worm shaft to 4 inlbs drag, then lash at 12 inlbs and total drag of 16inlbs. Is this OK.

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          • Gary R.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 1, 1989
            • 1796

            #6
            Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

            16 is too tight. Stay with 12-12.5 total

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            • Timothy B.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • April 30, 1983
              • 5177

              #7
              Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

              Gary,

              Are you saying 4 inlbs is OK for worm and then install sector shaft and set lash for a total of 12inlbs.

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              • Gary R.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 1, 1989
                • 1796

                #8
                Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                preload should be no more then 5, used ball screws 3.5-5. New ball screws are very smooth compared to used originals. Total lash should not exceed 12-12.5
                Sideplay will vary with the type of bushings used. I machine or have mine made to my spec.

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                • Timothy B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1983
                  • 5177

                  #9
                  Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                  Thanks Gary,

                  I have not decided if I am going to replace balls, I want to clean everything first and look over.

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                  • Gary R.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • April 1, 1989
                    • 1796

                    #10
                    Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                    To clearify,
                    When I reference new & used ball screws, that would be the complete assembly.
                    The new complete ball screw/worms are very smooth, at least the ones I use are.
                    I always replace the 54 balls in the nut if reusing original gears. The grooves in the nut will wear so you may get a knotchy feel to them, there should be a uniform reading from lock to lock, it should not vary by 1+ in/lbs. If so you may need new gears.

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                    • Jim S.
                      Expired
                      • August 31, 2001
                      • 730

                      #11
                      Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                      Gary,
                      Does Coastal Gold fit the definition of "a good grade of lithium based chassis (ball joint) grease"? That is what the engineers at Saginaw always told me. Since they have been out of the manual gear business for 25+ years, they never evaluated synthetic based greases and I just assumed that the later technology was better.

                      Jim

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                      • Gary R.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • April 1, 1989
                        • 1796

                        #12
                        Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                        Hi Jim
                        The Costal Uniplex I use is a premium Hi-Temp lithium complex grease. It is suitable for disc brake bearings,u-joints,5th wheels,hubs. It meets GM # 1051344 and has a drop point over 500*F- basically I like it, it's avail everywhere and is low in cost.

                        I liked the mobil until they changed it. I have also used Lucas greases without a problem.

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                        • Joe L.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • February 1, 1988
                          • 43193

                          #13
                          Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                          Originally posted by Gary Ramadei (14833)
                          Hi Jim
                          The Costal Uniplex I use is a premium Hi-Temp lithium complex grease. It is suitable for disc brake bearings,u-joints,5th wheels,hubs. It meets GM # 1051344 and has a drop point over 500*F- basically I like it, it's avail everywhere and is low in cost.

                          I liked the mobil until they changed it. I have also used Lucas greases without a problem.
                          Gary------


                          I like GM #12377985. It's the "direct descendant" of grease GM #1052084 which was the grease that GM originally specified for the 63-82 Corvette steering gears.

                          GM #1052084 and GM #1051344 were once available at the same time, but of the two, GM specified the 1052084 for Corvette steering gears. However, I have no doubt that grease meeting GM #1051344 will work just fine for a Corvette steering gear.
                          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                          • Gary C.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • April 1, 1998
                            • 375

                            #14
                            Re: C2 & C3 Steering box grease

                            I have used this Penrite grease in my 3 Vettes in Australia, no worries mate. Not sure if it is available in the US.
                            For nearly 100 Years, Penrite has served the lubricant market in Australia with products such as engine oils, automatic transmission fluids, gear & differential oils, coolants, greases, heavy-duty engine, hydraulic & industrial oils, farm and construction products


                            Cheers,
                            Gary
                            Perth Australia

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