whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

[Mark U.]

this car is a vert-ok looks like i have just purchased a 67 427 390hp car with p/g trans.first off the tank sticker is still on the old tank how do people preserve the sticker its there but fragile.
Even though it may be rare what is this worth restored.
the engine and trans are not numbers matching though the engine is a 427 which came out of a 67 impala ss.Only option is the auto and p/s.
Thanks for all the imput.
Mark

[Larry S.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Mark, I'm no expert but everyone I know removes the original gas tank, boxes it, and puts on a repro tank.

[Mark U.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Thanks,that makes sense.

Mark

[Joe R.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Mark, I'm no expert but everyone I know removes the original gas tank, boxes it, and puts on a repro tank.

Larry,

Why replace an original part unless there's something wrong with it that can't be repaired for a reasonable price? I'm guessing my gas tank is original. At least I haven't had it out of the car. Anyhow, the inside of the gas tank was the only part of the car that was pristine when I got it. The car had sat for almost 30 years before that.

Joe

[Joe R.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

the tank sticker is still on the old tank how do people preserve the sticker its there but fragile.
Mark

Mark,

I did a search using "restore tank sticker." Here's one of the threads that might help you:

https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...icker&uid=9432

Joe

[Mark U.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

hmmm the tank is good to go but being the type of car it is i think i will install a new tank and put the old one away.Hate to do that but i do not have any nore docs on this car beside the tank sticker.

Thanks for the reply
Mark

[Joe R.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Mark,

Did you read the thread I sent you a link to? It suggests leaving the tank sticker where it lies, take pictures with a digital camera. Use PhotoShop etc. if the sticker is not very legible. But, hey, it's your car! Do you ever plan to have it judged? If so, I would look into the points loss for a repo gas tank.

Joe

[Tom D.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Mark: I didn't save the whole tank. I cut the metal section holding the sticker and put that combination in a plastic bag.

YOUR 67 ENGINE: Should have the same casting as the original had, right?
3904351 is correct. Hopefully, the block has that number and a date casting before your car build date...

Tom

[Larry S.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

Larry,

Why replace an original part unless there's something wrong with it that can't be repaired for a reasonable price? I'm guessing my gas tank is original. At least I haven't had it out of the car. Anyhow, the inside of the gas tank was the only part of the car that was pristine when I got it. The car had sat for almost 30 years before that.

Joe

Joe, I was just responding to the OP's question about preserving his tank sticker. I agree with your reasoning about not replacing original parts, but the sticker will eventually disintegrate left where it is. Plus, I don't know of any way to remove a sticker without destroying it.

[Scott S.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

this car is a vert-ok looks like i have just purchased a 67 427 390hp car with p/g trans.first off the tank sticker is still on the old tank how do people preserve the sticker its there but fragile.
Even though it may be rare what is this worth restored.
the engine and trans are not numbers matching though the engine is a 427 which came out of a 67 impala ss.Only option is the auto and p/s.
Thanks for all the imput.
Mark

Hi Mark,

If the tank sticker appears fragile, likely to tear, brown from age, etc., I would proceed with caution.

If I had it to do over again, I would remove the gas tank, find a local document preservation specialist if possible (try phone book or local library), and take the whole thing to him (or her). They will be able to remove the tank sticker without damaging the tank or the sticker.

If there is no one local, and there was any chance the tank sticker would tear during removal, I would cut out the section where the tank sticker is located using a tin-snip or something similar. The gas tank can be replaced, but the tank sticker cannot be replaced. If you really want an old used original gas tank, they are available. If you want a new replacement, there is one available (made in Canada, if I recall correctly) and offered through Quanta and most vendors. For an extra charge you can get the "O.L. Anderson" logo on the tank. I always prefer original parts, even when not practical, but with a 43-year old gas tank, safety was also a consideration (for me).

If there is no one local, I would mail the tank sticker (still stuck to the metal) to a document restoration/preservation expert. They can tell you how to package it safely, and they will know what chemicals to use to dissolve the glue and remove the tank sticker without damaging the paper or anything printed on it. If the tank sticker is faded or brown with age (or brown with what appears to be baked-on crud as mine was), a document preservation expert should be able to remove the years of dirt and grime, make it readable if at all possible, without removing any of the original ink, and then preserve it with archival-quality materials in a manner that will make it last (e.g., do NOT laminate it, chemicals in most generic consumer-grade lamination materials may harm the document).

It may cost a couple hundred dollars and take a few weeks, but this may be the only documentation your car has.

Part of my tank sticker ("Comfort and Convenience" section) remained stuck to the tank, and it was not recovered. What I had left was covered in dirt and very fragile. It was broken into pieces. Using a pen-knife, as carefully as I could, I began to scrape away the layers of dirt and grime, and over a period of 3 or 4 hours, I was able to read MOST of the important information. Some of it is missing, but there is enough present to positively identify the date received and expected date of production, order number, color & interior, engine option, transmission, rear axle ratio, air conditioning and AM/FM radio.

I do NOT recommend using a knife (of any kind) to do this!

In the process, I scraped some of the ink away in the Zone and Dealer Code section, and as a result, I have not (yet) been able to find out where this car was originally purchased.

There was an excellent 3-part article on Gas Tank Stickers by Barbara Spear at this link ( http://www.yankeelady.com/library/no...assticker1.htm
), but the link is no longer active. A Google search shows that a site called "PennyVette" (http://www.pennyvette.com/index.php) is now hosting the Corvette Articles that used to be on the "Yankeelady" website, but I could not find the article on Tank Stickers.

The following is a brief excerpt that I have from the original article, it may be helpful:


"Tom also gave me a list of DON'Ts that could prevent you from accidentally damaging your gas sticker.
Gas Sticker Dont's

• Never use lighter or starter fluid to clean it. These solutions are highly flammable, can remove the ink, and can leave a residue which can cause further decay.
• Limit photocopies to a single master, then make copies from the master. Heat and bright light from a copier can damage fragile documents.
• Don't use plastic food storage bags to protect a document. The plastic is not stable; with age, it can break down, giving off acid and gasses which can deteriorate the document.
• Don't assume that framing a document under glass will extend its life. Some frames and backings can speed the breakdown of a document.
• Every document is different. Just because two documents look and feel the same doesn't mean they are. Just because a friend successfully cleaned a document with some magic solvent doesn't mean you'll be as lucky. The solvent that simply cleaned your friend's document may disintegrate the ink on yours."

1st Picture: Tank sticker still on tank

2nd Picture: Remnant of tank sticker still stuck to tank, now gone

3rd Picture: What remained of the tank sticker was in pieces, almost completely covered by caked-on and hardened brown crud. I had removed the brown crud with a pen-knife on the right hand side of this section before taking this picture, I had not yet started removing the dirt on the left side of this piece.

4th picture: Remnants pieced together afterward, as you can see, the section that stayed stuck to the gas tank is the same outline as the section that is missing. Sure wish I had that missing piece, for the sake of completeness. There is still enough left at the end of each line-item in the top section to be able to make out the major options, but there's not much of the "Comfort & Convenience" section.

Again, if I knew then what I know now, I would definitely have an expert handle this. It may be the only (or best) documentation your car has, so it has great value, and not just monetary.

Just my honest opinion, of course

[Ronald L.]

Re: whats it worth 67-427-390hp-pg car-and tank sticker preserve question

First is to get a very high quality photo that can be massaged in photoshop and you want to do that side to side to the original so that you know for sure you have every minor piece of information captured legibly.

From there you can preserve the evidence as the experts suggest.

Use the tank or box it, etc. as you see fit. If this sticker is in good shape, the chances are the tank is too!