More ethanol

[John D.]

In the Business section of my local newspaper today.
"EPA decided 15% ethanol fuel OK for more autos."
More autos/trucks means those manufactured between 2001 and 2006.

Happy Motoring. JD

[Michael F.]

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damn politicians and midwest business owners who push that junk....everything in life is about money...everything...

[Bruce B.]

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John,

Lets see, The U.S. government sues Toyota for runaway cars.

Who is going to sue the U.S. government for engine fires due to fuel systems destroyed by ethanol?

Or possibly some lawyer can do a class action suit against the farmers who grew the corn that was made into ethanol.

The possibilities are endless........

[Duke W.]

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This is old news and has been discussed in several previous threads. It's not likely that retailers will want to put in more pumps on a voluntary basis, which this is. It's not mandatory.

Duke

[Dick W.]

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As they say around here "it ain't a done deal" yet. Gonna spend a lotta time in court. Auto manufacturers and a few other groups fighting it. Lawyers are going to make a ton of money with the government, ADM and Cargill on one side, and the auto manufacturer's on the other

[John D.]

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When I read the Business section of the newspaper yesterday I thought the ethanol thing was old news. That's what happens when you live in a small town.

[Richard T.]

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Anyone try the Stable product that claims to reduce the harmful effects of ethanol? The new Stable product has been advertised on the recent BJ auction in AZ.

[Michael W.]

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I think you mean 'Stabil'.

Have you personally experienced any of the supposed ills effects that this miracle product can cure? I sure haven't- in over 20 years of using E10.

[Richard T.]

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My goof Mike; Stay-Bil. I use the red for storage and I think the new product is green. Since the product is new I doubt if anyone has had a chance to use the product much.

[Michael W.]

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My point was asking if you've had any problems with using E10- not whether the Stabil works or not.

I don't use any additives at all for storage or during driving season and suffer none of the short or long terms ills these manufacturers claim will befall us.

[Clem Z.]

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My point was asking if you've had any problems with using E10- not whether the Stabil works or not.

I don't use any additives at all for storage or during driving season and suffer none of the short or long terms ills these manufacturers claim will befall us.

the 10% stuff does cause problems with original accelerator pumps. the cup type will swell and the holley type get rock hard. both types have fixes available.

[Michael W.]

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both types have fixes available.

Right- which have been available for at least 10 years if I remember what you've said before. Same deal with Qjets, FI, WCFB etc.

Being that the consumables of a fuel system have a finite life (that's why they're called consumables) swapping them over the the E10 resistant type is just routine mtce to me. The sky is not falling.

[Clem Z.]

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Right- which have been available for at least 10 years if I remember what you've said before. Same deal with Qjets, FI, WCFB etc.

Being that the consumables of a fuel system have a finite life (that's why they're called consumables) swapping them over the the E10 resistant type is just routine mtce to me. The sky is not falling.

the problem arises when you have people who don't drive their older cars very much and the old parts are still in there. if a holley pump splits open and since it is external there could be a fire with fuel leaking on the hot engine. the other types with internal pumps just have the pumps freeze up in the pump wells and the engine will not start or run badly. any car built before the 10% stuff could have rubber parts that are not compatable with the fuel. i had a problem with a older snowblowers rubber fuel line coming apart inside causing the carb to flood. what is even worse is people who use octane booster because they contain lots of chemicals that attack the carb and the rubber fuel lines

[Lynn H.]

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Anyone who has a serious interest in this subject (which should be most of us) may want to check the Michigan Chapter website, michiganncrs.org, for the video and power point presentation given by Gary Herwick, that was conducted yesterday at our chapter seminar at Masterworks. Gary worked for the General for years and now has his own consulting business dealing with the chemistry of modern fuels, now and in the future. It was a very informative session, that explained in detail the effects of ethanol (and other additives) in terms we can all understand. EXCELLENT presentation that should be on the website within the next couple of weeks.
Lynn