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  • Joe M.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 30, 1990
    • 1338

    Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

    My car has a PG transmission and there is no bracket from the starter to the PG? The only bracket I observed last night was the bracket holding the blowdown tube to the starter bolt. Would the brace in question be CC part number 301170, 56-62 starter motor brace?

    Where does this bracket attach to the starter? PG?
  • Domenic T.
    Expired
    • January 29, 2010
    • 2452

    #2
    Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

    Joe,
    If it's the one I 'm thinking about it attaches to the block from one of the 2 starter bolts that holds the starter together.

    The bolt is threaded after the head 1/4 X20 and the bracket bolts from there to the block.

    DOM

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    • Joe M.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 30, 1990
      • 1338

      #3
      Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

      The 1958-1960 Tech Info Manual/Judging Guide states "Forward end of starter housing is supported to engine block with a metal brace on cars equipped with PG trany." Does it bolt to the nose of the starter?

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      • Domenic T.
        Expired
        • January 29, 2010
        • 2452

        #4
        Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

        The starter head is rear and the starter back is forward.


        The bracket I have always seen was there for PG or stick.

        It looks like a dog leg and is bent from angle iron stock.



        DOM

        Originally posted by Domenic Tallarita (51287)
        Joe,
        If it's the one I 'm thinking about it attaches to the block from one of the 2 starter bolts that holds the starter together.

        The bolt is threaded after the head 1/4 X20 and the bracket bolts from there to the block.

        DOM

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        • Stephen L.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • May 31, 1984
          • 3148

          #5
          Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

          "Forward end" would be the end away from the transmission and flywheel.

          As stated earlier the bracket would attach to the front end (flat end of the starter) and the engine block. It supports the end that "hangs out in space".

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          • Joe M.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 30, 1990
            • 1338

            #6
            Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

            Now I know what the long threaded bolt that protrudes from the flat end of the starter is for. My starter has been hanging out in space for a long time. Time to remedy that! I am not sure why the bracket is described for PG cars only; seems like it would be useful for all cars to support the starter. Thanks to all for the info.

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            • Timothy B.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • April 30, 1983
              • 5177

              #7
              Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

              I don't know much about C1's but I suspect the brace is used when the starter mounts to the block. Manual transmission C1 starters bolt to the bellhousing using three bolts so no chance the block could be damaged by the starter hanging out.

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              • Joe L.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • February 1, 1988
                • 43193

                #8
                Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                Originally posted by Joe Maulsby (17166)
                Now I know what the long threaded bolt that protrudes from the flat end of the starter is for. My starter has been hanging out in space for a long time. Time to remedy that! I am not sure why the bracket is described for PG cars only; seems like it would be useful for all cars to support the starter. Thanks to all for the info.

                Joe------


                For 1962 Corvettes, only Powerglide-equipped cars used a block mounted starter. 1962's with manual transmissions used a bellhousing-mounted starter. It's only applications with a block-mounted starter that used the starter brace, so that's why only 1962 Corvettes with Powerglide used the brace. The brace was originally GM #3816511, later GM #3851294, and, finally, GM #354353 which remains available to this day. There are slight configuration differences between the braces but all are functionally interchangeable.
                In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                • Joe M.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1990
                  • 1338

                  #9
                  Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                  Joe, now I am confused. Are you saying that my 1960 w/ PG never had the front brace as described in the 1958 - 1960 Tech Manual and Judging Guide?

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                  • Joe L.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • February 1, 1988
                    • 43193

                    #10
                    Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                    Originally posted by Joe Maulsby (17166)
                    Joe, now I am confused. Are you saying that my 1960 w/ PG never had the front brace as described in the 1958 - 1960 Tech Manual and Judging Guide?

                    Joe------


                    Somehow, I thought we were talking about a 1962 with Powerglide. Anyway, I believe 1958-62 Corvettes except those 1962's with Powerglide did use a starter brace but it was configured completely different than the brace used with 1962 Corvettes with Powerglide as well as later Corvettes.
                    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                    • Joe M.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • April 30, 1990
                      • 1338

                      #11
                      Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                      Since I have never seen an original, I hope it looks like the brace that CC sells as "1957-1962 Starter Brace."

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                      • Joe L.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • February 1, 1988
                        • 43193

                        #12
                        Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                        Originally posted by Joe Maulsby (17166)
                        Since I have never seen an original, I hope it looks like the brace that CC sells as "1957-1962 Starter Brace."
                        Joe------


                        I don't have a copy of the 1960 AIM. Does the AIM show a brace being used and, if so, what is the part number?
                        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                        • Gary C.
                          Administrator
                          • October 1, 1982
                          • 17549

                          #13
                          Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                          Joe,

                          Brace is in Group 2.077 p/n 3742856 - listed for passenger car

                          Gary
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                          • Joe M.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • April 30, 1990
                            • 1338

                            #14
                            Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                            Thank you Gary. I searched in the 1960 AIM and the page showing the starter does not show a brace; RPO pages dedicated to P/G do not show the brace. There is a great photo of the brace on a car in the 1958-1960 Restoration Handbook DVD. An excellent restoration guide. I am going to purchase the brace from one of the big vendors.

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                            • Joe L.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • February 1, 1988
                              • 43193

                              #15
                              Re: Support Bracket on 1960 Starter

                              Originally posted by Gary Chesnut (5895)
                              Joe,

                              Brace is in Group 2.077 p/n 3742856 - listed for passenger car

                              Gary
                              ....

                              Gary------


                              Yes, I saw the brace you mention. However, as you also mention, it is specified for passenger car applications. Coupled with the fact that Joe reports that no brace is shown in the Corvette AIM, I question whether the brace was ever originally installed on Corvettes. Perhaps they were once installed as a result of some sort of service bulletin which may account for the fact they are found on Corvettes.

                              It's hard to imagine that St. Louis would have been installing a part that was not shown in the AIM.
                              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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