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  • John H.
    Expired
    • May 31, 2002
    • 169

    #16
    Re: Car fire.

    Buy Halogen Tpye Extinguisher Only. Spend The Extra Money
    And Rest Assured. The Cheap Types Are Horrible, Especially
    The Clean Up.
    Halogen Removes Oxygen Fropm Sprayed Area, Big Time.
    Computer Rooms, Speed Boat Engine Bays, Etc....
    I'm Surprised That None Of The Posts Even Mention Tpye To Buy...

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    • Brian M.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • February 1, 1997
      • 1837

      #17
      Re: Car fire.

      I think you mean Halon.
      Originally posted by John O'Haire (38127)
      Buy Halogen Tpye Extinguisher Only. Spend The Extra Money
      And Rest Assured. The Cheap Types Are Horrible, Especially
      The Clean Up.
      Halogen Removes Oxygen Fropm Sprayed Area, Big Time.
      Computer Rooms, Speed Boat Engine Bays, Etc....
      I'm Surprised That None Of The Posts Even Mention Tpye To Buy...

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      • Paul J.
        Expired
        • September 9, 2008
        • 2091

        #18
        Re: Car fire.

        Originally posted by Matt Lewis (51475)
        i didnt mean to be so critical. i just put myself in the owners shoes and wonder why it seemed to take so long for help to arrive. i have been in emergency situations and every second feels like eternity. this is just an awful reality check for all of us to have extinquishers in our cars. my heart goes out to the ford owner who had to watch his car burn.
        take care,
        matt
        Hey Matt,

        My comment was just an observation. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else. If you watch the runtime while you're watching the film, you can see that it's only a few seconds before help arrives. What you said is correct..."every second feels like an eternity". It's horrifying to watch this, but the fire was moving much faster than help could arrive and in the few seconds that it took people to get there, it required a large fire extinguisher to put the fire out. Ironically, the good people who showed up last weren't able to help much. The best thing to have in this situation is good insurance. Even with a good fire extinguisher, you're going to have damage.

        Paul

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        • Terry W.
          Expired
          • August 31, 2010
          • 69

          #19
          Re: Car fire.

          Had a fire on my 23 T , oil from a split valve cover gasket,dripping on the exhaust manifolds , sure am glad I had an extinguisher, there is one in the back of my vette !!!!!!

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          • Jim D.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 1985
            • 2882

            #20
            Re: Car fire.

            Originally posted by John O'Haire (38127)
            Buy Halogen Tpye Extinguisher Only. Spend The Extra Money
            And Rest Assured. The Cheap Types Are Horrible, Especially
            The Clean Up.
            Halogen Removes Oxygen Fropm Sprayed Area, Big Time.
            Computer Rooms, Speed Boat Engine Bays, Etc....
            I'm Surprised That None Of The Posts Even Mention Tpye To Buy...
            HALON extinguishers don't remove the oxygen. CO2 extinguishers do. Halon disrupts the chemical reaction. I won't go into explaining the "fire tetrahedron" here. Halon is highly regulated and can be hard to get but there are replacements available such as Halotron and HalGuard. They are know as "clean agent" extinguishers.
            Halon types are very effective but need to be contained in an enclosed area to be most effective (computers rooms, speed boat engine bays, etc.). They probably would have worked in the above linked fire but ONLY if the person using them was correctly trained. Those in the video would have wasted it just like they did with most of the dry chem. ones.

            Your best bet is to have a good insurance policy.

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            • Paul J.
              Expired
              • September 9, 2008
              • 2091

              #21
              Re: Car fire.

              Originally posted by Brian McHale (28809)
              I think you mean Halon.
              Here's one of the better discussions on Halon fire extinguishers. There's more in the archives.

              https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...halon&uid=5497

              Brian, what happened to that great avatar you had?

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              • Brian K.
                Very Frequent User
                • September 19, 2007
                • 174

                #22
                Re: Car fire.

                Originally posted by Brian McHale (28809)
                I think you mean Halon.
                I think they are now called Halotron "clean agent".....EPA nonsense. I bought two for my cars & a bigger one for the shop. The ABC's chemical extinqishers sometimes do as much damage as the fire.
                66 Coupe
                66 Convertible
                2022 2LT Coupe
                67 Chevelle SS396
                67 XLCH HD Sportster

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                • Paul J.
                  Expired
                  • September 9, 2008
                  • 2091

                  #23
                  Re: Car fire.

                  Originally posted by Brian Kane (47891)
                  I think they are now called Halotron "clean agent".....EPA nonsense. I bought two for my cars & a bigger one for the shop. The ABC's chemical extinqishers sometimes do as much damage as the fire.
                  Halotron and Halgard are the replacements for Halon, which has fallen into disfavor with the EPA and will eventually disappear. I don't know how effective the replacements are, except for what I've read in the archives.

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                  • Brian M.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • February 1, 1997
                    • 1837

                    #24
                    Re: Car fire.

                    The McHale's Navy one?
                    Originally posted by Paul Jordan (49474)
                    Here's one of the better discussions on Halon fire extinguishers. There's more in the archives.

                    https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...halon&uid=5497

                    Brian, what happened to that great avatar you had?

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                    • Roger W.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • January 29, 2008
                      • 564

                      #25
                      Re: Car fire.

                      Wouldn't the fuel pump shut off when the ignition switch was turned off?

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                      • Bruce B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • May 31, 1996
                        • 2930

                        #26
                        Re: Car fire.

                        Yes the electric fuel pump would shut off with the ignition switch.
                        But in the case of a fire or a electrical problem it could be possible that a short circuit could supply power to the pump.
                        I need some help on this question.
                        Bruce B

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                        • Paul J.
                          Expired
                          • September 9, 2008
                          • 2091

                          #27
                          Re: Car fire.

                          Originally posted by Brian McHale (28809)
                          The McHale's Navy one?
                          That's the one, very funny. You must have a good sense of humor.

                          Sometimes I think Tim Conway works in my shop.

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                          • Michael H.
                            Infrequent User
                            • November 1, 1993
                            • 29

                            #28
                            Re: Car fire.

                            A friend's son bought a '60 a couple years. Didn't have it two weeks when an electrical short under the dash caused a fire. He was in it and used a fire extinguisher but it just kept burning, total loss.
                            1964 Two top convertible, 4-speed
                            2009 Triple black, Z-51 coupe, 6-speed

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                            • Michael M.
                              Expired
                              • June 5, 2011
                              • 30

                              #29
                              Re: Car fire.

                              I can apprecaite all of those who wrote replies to the video. However, as a retired firefighter I'd like to throw in a few things. I don't consider myself an expert by any means but after 31 years a a career firefighter I have a couple of legitimate comments. First, everyone should carry a fire extinguisher in their cars. We spend too much time, money, blood sweat and tears to watch them go up in smoke. As for which type of extinguisher, you do the research! Halon is being restricted by the ***** huggers as it has a negative affect on the ozone layer. Secondly, it works extremely well in enclosed areas like computer rooms. Place the fire outside, and the Halon extinguisher is useless. Don't wait for the fire department to extinguish the fire as many use 'foam' which will literally eat your motor from the inside out as it is extremely corrosive. For me I carry a 2A10BC dry chemical extinguisher. The little 1 pound extinguishers are 'cute' but if my car is on fire 'cute' doesn't put the fire out. If we all carried extinguishers, get in line when the fire occurs and keep spraying low at the source, not the flames! Again this is only my opinion!

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                              • Jim D.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • June 30, 1985
                                • 2882

                                #30
                                Re: Car fire.

                                Originally posted by Michael Murphy (53411)
                                Don't wait for the fire department to extinguish the fire as many use 'foam' which will literally eat your motor from the inside out as it is extremely corrosive.
                                The foam FD's use is 100% biodegradable (both the class "A" & AFFF). They are NOT corrosive in the least.

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