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  • Tom R.
    Expired
    • December 20, 2010
    • 177

    TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

    I know this has been beaten to death on this and other forums, and reading books about it makes my head spin, but I still have not found a definitive convention to use when determining the date of either a cast or stamped part. I have read no less than 100-150 threads in doing research that either directly address or peripherally address this issue of when to use the letter "i" in determing date of manufacture or assembly.

    Let me preface this by citing an example or two that caused me confusion.
    1. https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...=m292&uid=7420

    This thread talks about a 1963 master cylinder with a casting of "M 29 2" which all agree on that particular thread is a December 29, 1962 casting date. Skipping the "i".

    2. https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...=k214&uid=8824

    In this thread toward the end, they speak of heads and blocks with casting dates of K 21 4 and K 17 4 describing them as November 21 and 17, 1964 casting dates. In this case clearly using the "i".

    I have mostly read throughout this forum the convention in threads by some of whom I have observed to be "expert" in details about these old cars (Jack Humphrey (17100) and John Hinckley (29964) for example, who both agreee that in general say, "If the part is stamped, like an alternator, voltage regulator, radiator, etc, then you don't count the "i" in determining date. In this case "M" is December. For cast parts like the block, heads, transmissions,etc, you count the "i" in determining the date. So in that case an L 28 2 casting date would be a December 28, 1962 part. "L" is December.

    There seems to be some discrepancy between the two threads I've cited, and I have seen some confusion among other threads about this topic but have not posted here.

    So using this "logic", my block a 3782870 casting (driver's side) with a J 9 2 date (no casting clock) on the passenger side would be an October 9, 1962 casting date. Am I on the right track here and is the convention I've cited above fairly well accepted for determining dates of cast date vs. stamped date parts?
  • David L.
    Expired
    • July 31, 1980
    • 3310

    #2
    Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

    Tom,

    For the last 30 years I have always used the general rule that "cast" date codes use the letter "I" (L = Dec.) while "stamped" date codes did not use the letter "I" (M = Dec.).

    The 63 master cylinder with a "M 29 2" casting date (December 29, 1962) has to be an exception to the rule.

    Dave

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    • Tom R.
      Expired
      • December 20, 2010
      • 177

      #3
      Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

      Originally posted by David Liukkonen (3775)
      Tom,

      For the last 30 years I have always used the general rule that "cast" date codes use the letter "I" (L = Dec.) while "stamped" date codes did not use the letter "I" (M = Dec.).

      The 63 master cylinder with a "M 29 2" casting date (December 29, 1962) has to be an exception to the rule.

      Dave
      Dave,

      Thank you for your reply, but that is exactly what is making me crazy. Does that mean that there may be exceptions to this rule and that there could be "461" heads and "870" blocks with "M" casting dates as well? Has anyone ever seen one? I guess anything is possible with the General.

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      • John H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 1, 1997
        • 16513

        #4
        Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

        Tom -

        In the other side of my hobby (1st-Generation Camaros), we (CRG) explain it as shown here (scroll down to "GM Date Code Formats"):

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        • Terry M.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • September 30, 1980
          • 15573

          #5
          Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

          When dealing with M in castings one needs to be careful. Very often (perhaps I should say most often) the M is NOT a date but an indicator that in some way the casting is a "test" item. It could be configuration (perhaps even an invisible internal configuration change) or the exact material used.

          There have been a couple of stories in The Restorer regarding the use of the letter M on Saginaw cast engine cases -- some of which found their way into Corvettes. Since Saginaw also cast master cylinders when you see the letter M it may not be a casting date.
          Terry

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          • Tom R.
            Expired
            • December 20, 2010
            • 177

            #6
            Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

            Terry and John,

            Thank you for the informative replies. I've never seen that website before and it is helpful. I have saved it in my Corvette File, and will use the convention discussed. If I run across a weird number, I know where to go. This forum is great.

            Tom

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            • Henry F.
              Frequent User
              • April 1, 1979
              • 68

              #7
              Re: TO USE OR NOT TO USE THE LETTER "i"

              Originally posted by John Hinckley (29964)
              Tom -

              In the other side of my hobby (1st-Generation Camaros), we (CRG) explain it as shown here (scroll down to "GM Date Code Formats"):

              http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml...ernalDateCodes
              Nice to see that some info is free!
              That the difference between a hobby & a business.
              Hank Fredella
              Vice Chairman Northeast Chapter
              Charter Member (1982)
              Webmaster www.necncrs.homestead.com

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