Founders and Flight

[Gerard F.]

Can a guy go for a repeat Founders and Flight Judging at the same National Convention with the same car?

Doing some planning for the San Diego Convention next year.

Reviewing the 8th edition Judging Reference Manual, and it is not clear on the subject.

[Rob M.]

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Hey Jerry, this sounds familiar! Can't wait to hear the answer.

[Don H.]

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I believe you can only do one or the other at the same event. For example I know you can't do Flight & PV at the same event. Don H.

[Reba W.]

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Cars cannot register in two categories at chapter and regional meets.

The only exception for simultaneous awards is for Star/Bowtie judging and final judging for a Duntov or McLellan Mark-of-Excellence Award. I believe that joint entry must be approved by the national judging chairman in advance.

[Gerard F.]

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Hey Jerry, this sounds familiar! Can't wait to hear the answer.

Rob,

Looks like we both may have a change in plans if one can't go Founders (repeat in my case) and Flight at the National.

But the answer still doesn't seem right, if Founders is "similar in stature to the Duntov, McLellan, Hill, Bowtie, Crossed Flags, and Folz plaques." Those cars can go for their award plus Flight at the same event.

Looks like there is some discrimination for us Founders guys

[Joe C.]

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Rob,

Looks like we both may have a change in plans if one can't go Founders (repeat in my case) and Flight at the National.

But the answer still doesn't seem right, if Founders is "similar in stature to the Duntov, McLellan, Hill, Bowtie, Crossed Flags, and Folz plaques." Those cars can go for their award plus Flight at the same event.

Looks like there is some discrimination for us Founders guys

Understanding what it takes to keep these old cars roadworthy, I give guys like you tremendous credit for "drivin' 'em".

Yet.......

They toss you your founders trinket at the membership meeting on day one rather than at the awards banquet. What does that tell you?

[Terry M.]

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Understanding what it takes to keep these old cars roadworthy, I give guys like you tremendous credit for "drivin' 'em".

Yet.......

They toss you your founders trinket at the membership meeting on day one rather than at the awards banquet. What does that tell you?

I don't know what it tells others, but it tells me "they" (whoever they are) are sensitive to the desires of those who grew tired of three hour long Award Presentations.

[Joe C.]

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I don't know what it tells others, but it tells me "they" (whoever they are) are sensitive to the desires of those who grew tired of three hour long Award Presentations.

Get rid of the long winded speakers, and the second/third flight awards at the banquet. We all know that second/third flight awards are useful as toilet paper.

This frees up enough time to have the Founders awards presented at the banquet. Reread Jerry's second post here. Carefully understand the part where he quotes that the Founders was intended to be: "similar in stature to the Duntov, McLellan, Hill, Bowtie, Crossed Flags, and Folz plaques."

[Dick W.]

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Get rid of the long winded speakers, and the second/third flight awards at the banquet. We all know that second/third flight awards are useful as toilet paper.

This frees up enough time to have the Founders awards presented at the banquet. Reread Jerry's second post here. Carefully understand the part where he quotes that the Founders was intended to be: "similar in stature to the Duntov, McLellan, Hill, Bowtie, Crossed Flags, and Folz plaques."

Second and Third Flight awards are just important to the owners as the Top Flight awards

[Joe C.]

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Second and Third Flight awards are just important to the owners as the Top Flight awards

I agree, and I certainly hope so.

The used car flipper can't slap a high price on a resale of a second or third flight car.

Find a way to have the Founders recipients recognized at the Banquet. They are the "salt of the earth", and embody the true spirit of the NCRS. They are what the NCRS used to be all about, but no longer.

[Dick W.]

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The used car dealer can't slap a high price on a resale of a second or third flight car.

You are missing the point, most people do not sell their cars when they get awards. They restore and show for the pleasure of doing it.

[Gerard F.]

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Whooa guys,

I wasn't trying to start a controversy.

I was just checking to see if a guy could go for a repeat Founders, and Flight at the same National Convention.

Founders Ops at the National is usually done within 15 minutes on the first day of the National and is based mainly on prerequisites. Thought I'd go for a National Flight at the same event.

Joe has a point about at the Awards Dinner. Maybe Founders cars should at least get an honorable mention at the Awards Dinner, along with the Duntov's, McLellans, etc, and the longest driven and longest trailered car.

Let's just think about this, and how the Founder's guys feel at the Awards Dinner. I know a few who were upset there.

[Don H.]

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The founder's ops check is now many times done by the youth program. In my humble opinion the membership meeting is fine for the award (I have founder's and re-foundered ed ed). These meetings / banquets can get very long. The award is what it is regardless of where you receive it. Just my opinion, Don H.

[Joe C.]

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Whooa guys,

I wasn't trying to start a controversy.

I was just checking to see if a guy could go for a repeat Founders, and Flight at the same National Convention.

Founders Ops at the National is usually done within 15 minutes on the first day of the National and is based mainly on prerequisites. Thought I'd go for a National Flight at the same event.

Joe has a point about at the Awards Dinner. Maybe Founders cars should at least get an honorable mention at the Awards Dinner, along with the Duntov's, McLellans, etc, and the longest driven and longest trailered car.

Let's just think about this, and how the Founder's guys feel at the Awards Dinner. I know a few who were upset there.

Jerry,

If each of the Founders Award recipients were announced at the Banquet, and as a single grouping, it probably wouldn't take more than 30 seconds. Those present should be encouraged to stand as their name is announced.

You've more or less stated my personal preference on this............................but it won't be done. Writing Restorer articles and driving the Corvette in the National Road Tour, among other prerequisites doesn't perpetuate the "hobby" to the same extent as the money exchange taking place when freshly minted restorations are flipped. The NCRS meets its end of the obligation to "honor" the Founders' recipients for their efforts by throwing them a bone at the general membership meeting. The "presentation" and status that it garners is merely an afterthought................................

[Don H.]

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Get rid of the long winded speakers, and the second/third flight awards at the banquet. We all know that second/third flight awards are useful as toilet paper.

Second and Third Flight awards are just important to the owners as the Top Flight awards

Just to show that not everyone scorns 2nd or 3rd flight awards, and not everyone has their car judged simply to boost their selling price, check out this current thread on another popular corvette forum --->
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...vent-pics.html