1970-1972 Tim & Jg

[Scott K.]

Page 16

Headlamp Knob

"In 1970 and 1971 there is black bezel behind the switch with the word LIGHTS in white"

On my 1972, the same black bezel with the word LIGHTS exists. I have also seen NOS replacement bezels specifying the year as 1972. Every 1972 I've seen has the same bezel.

In the current wording, I have experienced it being interpreted to exclude 1972 such that this bezel is incorrect on a 1972. Which seems incorrect.

Is this a matter of updating the 1972 TIM & JG to include 1972 in the description?

[Scott K.]

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Page 64
Engine Lifting Hardware

"Another bracket attaches to the passenger side bell-housing-to-block attaching bolt on 350s with manual transmission..."

There is no mention of the 2nd bracket with respect to 350s with an automatic transmission.

In other reference materials, I have read that no second lifting bracket was installed on the passenger side in [1972] 350s with automatic transmissions.

Is this correct? And if so, should this be added to the TIM & JG? As is, there is no implication either way as to the installed existence of such 2nd lifting bracket relative to automatic transmission equipped vehicles.

[Dave S.]

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Scott,
The wording on the headlight bezel can looked at for clarification.
On the rear lifting bracket for THM cars I thought for sure that it was mentioned elsewhere in the manual but my review of the TIM & JG does not uncover it. I have seen confusion on the rear brackets as some owners and judges think the lifting hardware is the same for either transmission. I agree that it needs to be clarified and will present it to the re-write team.

[Terry M.]

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I guess that the idea that because it is not mentioned (small block rear lifting bracket with M40) it doesn't exist is just too far over the top. Although like Dave I thought it (the lack of it on M40 small blocks) was in there someplace. I would very much like to know how the engine /transmission hung from the conveyor chain in these cases, but that is beyond the scope of the TIM&JG.

On the other hand we could probably find many parts of the car that are not mentioned in the TIM&JG and if we assUme those also don't exist we would be judging very incomplete cars. Like all 1972s have no bezel behind the headlight switch just because it is excluded by what is likely a typo.

[Scott K.]

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Scott,
The wording on the headlight bezel can looked at for clarification.

On the rear lifting bracket for THM cars I thought for sure that it was mentioned elsewhere in the manual but my review of the TIM & JG does not uncover it. I have seen confusion on the rear brackets as some owners and judges think the lifting hardware is the same for either transmission. I agree that it needs to be clarified and will present it to the re-write team.

Great news on both items. The TIM and JG is only as good as its content -- so rooting out and correcting these "nit" items can only serve to make the manuals more accurate and improve the entire process & experience for judges and participants. Thanks.

[Scott K.]

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On the other hand we could probably find many parts of the car that are not mentioned in the TIM&JG and if we assUme those also don't exist we would be judging very incomplete cars. .

Guess the other side of the coin would be "incompletely judging very complete cars". Sort of depends which end of the point deduct you're on.

[Edward J.]

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Great news on both items. The TIM and JG is only as good as its content -- so rooting out and correcting these "nit" items can only serve to make the manuals more accurate and improve the entire process & experience for judges and participants. Thanks.

Scott,Well said, as I have a 72 and have learned that these manuels are not perfect, and have noted a few things over the last few years myself,
I can say in the next edition of the 70/72 there will be up coming changes, and there will be more I am sure after that. As more is still learned over the years form unrestored cars. There are is alot of wording changes to that will sometimes confuse the less experienced judges.

[Don L.]

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Pretty sure my Top Flight '72 has the pictured bezel. She's put away, under the cover and up on the lift, but if you want me to, I'd be happy to bring it down and take a photo for you and others that are considering this detail for TM & JG revisions.

Lemme know - it would be no trouble at all

[Thomas H.]

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While we are on the subject of a future 70-72 manual update, I like to request that the part number for the yellow emissions label be corrected. I pointed this out prior to the current release, but I may have been too late.

The guide shows the part number as 3989361, the one in my car (sept 70 build, 1971 LS5, S/N 1632) has a number of 3983361. Plus the guide states up to S/N 1455, mine is S/N 1632. Reference page 74.

This is such a great resource and as Scott mentioned earlier, fixing these tiny things will make an already great guide that much better.

Tom

[John H.]

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While we are on the subject of a future 70-72 manual update, I like to request that the part number for the yellow emissions label be corrected. I pointed this out prior to the current release, but I may have been too late.

Tom -

Posting that here on the TDB won't get the request any visibility - it needs to be brought to the attention of the '70-'72 National Team Leader (Stan Falenski); his contact info is on the inside cover of the "Restorer".

[Scott K.]

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Tom -

Posting that here on the TDB won't get the request any visibility - it needs to be brought to the attention of the '70-'72 National Team Leader (Stan Falenski); his contact info is on the inside cover of the "Restorer".

So.. do I need to raise the initial two points directly to Stan also? or are others here involved in the updates and note the active discussions for updated manuals.

[Thomas H.]

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Tom -

Posting that here on the TDB won't get the request any visibility - it needs to be brought to the attention of the '70-'72 National Team Leader (Stan Falenski); his contact info is on the inside cover of the "Restorer".

John,

After posting I started to recall some correspondense I had several years back about this. Did some research and found a PM with one of the team members saying that it would be in the que for the next revision. Just to confirm, I'll contact Stan as you suggest.

Thanks,

Tom

[John H.]

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So.. do I need to raise the initial two points directly to Stan also? or are others here involved in the updates and note the active discussions for updated manuals.

Scott -

Although there may be folks logged-on right now who are participants in that JG Revision Team, the protocol is to communicate directly with the National Team Leader as the key point of contact so it "gets on his list".

[Thomas H.]

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I just sent an email to Stan with a short introduction and link to this thread.

Tom

[Terry M.]

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Guess the other side of the coin would be "incompletely judging very complete cars". Sort of depends which end of the point deduct you're on.

Excellent point which I had not thought of.