NCRS judging and judges ARE the best

[Michael J.]

I have been working on one of my other cars, a '68 Shelby GT500KR, to get it ready for making the jump from the less rigorous Mustang Club of America judging to the more rigorous Shelby American Auto Club standards. They are similar to NCRS, presenting the car as close as possible to as originally delivered, but only NOS or restored original parts are allowed in the top category. In asking questions on their forum about things missing, like my smog system, I got some very sharp replies from the judges. One was that if the smog system is missing, don't bother coming to be judged, it's a waste of your and our time. Another talked about pet peeves as a judge like people bringing cars back year after year without doing everything they could to make them more perfect and learning from the previous judging errors. One said:

"....a multiple pager (many sheets of mistakes )it shows laziness and lack of regard for those who volunteer there time trying to help."

I have never had this kind of attitude from NCRS judges, so pat yourselves on the back, you do have a great system and people, much better than SAAC. Maybe I should sell that Shelby and buy a '62 fuelie? I wish I could make the National this year, but maybe next year.

[Gene M.]

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Mike,
Don't let the Ford judges change your affection for your car. Just add to your collection and get a Corvette. There is room for those that like both Chevy and Ford products, (just not jap crap). Ha Ha......

[Michael J.]

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I have my old faithful '67 L71, my favorite anyway. I have been very happy and impressed by the Mustang Club of America judges and process, but these Shelby guys are different than I have ever encountered in any judging group.

[Cathy S.]

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Really? Talking about Ford judges here. I would expect no less. NCRS judges have been great with me. Helpful, informative and extremely supportive when I needed them the most. God forbid I ever wanted to change camps.

[Tom R.]

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We don't do it for the accolades but its nice to hear that the NCRS judging system and the "owner-friendly" approach by judges is appreciated. We are here to learn, teach and appreciate what we each bring to the judging field.

[Dick W.]

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Another talked about pet peeves as a judge like people bringing cars back year after year without doing everything they could to make them more perfect and learning from the previous judging errors. One said:

You don't hear that comment often, but I do know of one judge that refused to judge a car that had been to the last 6-7 events the chapter had put on. Seems the same trash, dirt, grease, missing screws, bolts, non operative lights, etc had not been fixed from the first Regional. So help me, the same trash was in the passenger side floorboard all seven years.

[Michael J.]

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You don't hear that comment often, but I do know of one judge that refused to judge a car that had been to the last 6-7 events the chapter had put on. Seems the same trash, dirt, grease, missing screws, bolts, non operative lights, etc had not been fixed from the first Regional. So help me, the same trash was in the passenger side floorboard all seven years.

I could see something that extreme would irritate a judge, hopefully that doesn't happen very often in any judging venue. But telling someone not to even enter if you have a missing smog system sounds a bit extreme for a judge to do.

[Dick W.]

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I could see something that extreme would irritate a judge, hopefully that doesn't happen very often in any judging venue. But telling someone not to even enter if you have a missing smog system sounds a bit extreme for a judge to do.

Some people and some clubs live in a perfect world, or so they thing. I have the philosophy that "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck". There are very few absolutes in the production of automobiles. There are cases when things have to be absolute, but far and few between

[Patrick H.]

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You don't hear that comment often, but I do know of one judge that refused to judge a car that had been to the last 6-7 events the chapter had put on. Seems the same trash, dirt, grease, missing screws, bolts, non operative lights, etc had not been fixed from the first Regional. So help me, the same trash was in the passenger side floorboard all seven years.

I've seen one like that - though I did not refuse to judge it any of the 3 (or more) times I've seen it.
It always boggles my mind that 1) the owner is surprised by some of the deductions and 2) nothing is done to improve the car between the meets.
I seriously wondered recently if he has a memory issue that makes him forget that he brought it to a meet before.

[Dick W.]

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I've seen one like that - though I did not refuse to judge it any of the 3 (or more) times I've seen it.
It always boggles my mind that 1) the owner is surprised by some of the deductions and 2) nothing is done to improve the car between the meets.
I seriously wondered recently if he has a memory issue that makes him forget that he brought it to a meet before.

This instance was where the chapter was taking anything to make the meet larger. Remind me at San Diego and you will be surprised who the judge was.

[Reba W.]

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"It always boggles my mind that 1) the owner is surprised by some of the deductions and 2) nothing is done to improve the car between the meets."


Several years ago I judged a 1971 at a National. As I was going over deductions with the owner, he pulled out judging sheets from a regional the year before and commented, "You took exactly the same points on the same items last year." I didn't even realize I had seen the car before. I felt like saying, "Well, why didn't you fix them?" But I didn't.

[Terry M.]

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Apparently, unlike the Ford group cited by the OP, it is NCRS policy that the owner is to use the score sheets to improve his car, and we even offer tips here and at Judging Schools & Judging Seminars how to analyze the score sheets to gain the most points for your buck. The owner is then encourage to bring the car back for another round of judging to see how well his "improvements" have fared. Of course, as a judge it is disappointing to see a car return with the same deficiencies time and time again. I once recall having stern words with an owner because the twin L89s (one coupe and one convertible) had cob webs in the wheel wells and clear evidence of a total lack of even the basic preparation for judging. As a judge I was insulted, and I had the impression this owner felt he would get "special consideration" because of the nature of the cars he brought. We don't judge that way, and fortunately for him we don't judge owners either -- although there has been a time or two when I wished we were allowed to.

[Dave S.]

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"It always boggles my mind that 1) the owner is surprised by some of the deductions and 2) nothing is done to improve the car between the meets."


Several years ago I judged a 1971 at a National. As I was going over deductions with the owner, he pulled out judging sheets from a regional the year before and commented, "You took exactly the same points on the same items last year." I didn't even realize I had seen the car before. I felt like saying, "Well, why didn't you fix them?" But I didn't.

Reba,
I think I was your judging partner that day. Along with revealing his past judging sheets he freaked out about the deduction on the jack date. The team leader was called in to resolve what was a very tense situstion.

[Dick W.]

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As a judge I was insulted, and I had the impression this owner felt he would get "special consideration" because of the nature of the cars he brought. We don't judge that way, and fortunately for him we don't judge owners either -- although there has been a time or two when I wished we were allowed to.

I am sure you remember the white '68 I was referring to in my earlier post. And no, it warn't Terry I was referring to earlier. The car in that scenario was a mid-year