Triple Crown

[Jimmy J.]

Is there a time limit from the time you receive a top flight that you can try for the triple crown? Thanks Jimmy

[Roy S.]

Re: Triple Crown

You should ask the organization offering the award, NCRS has nothing to do with that award, the organization offering the award does not confirm the claimed Bloomington and NCRS awards were actually earned, so for NCRS to comment on how you achieve that award is making way to many assumptions.

[Chris S.]

Re: Triple Crown

There is no longer a Triple Crown - That award was handed out by the Chevy Vette Fest folks - which I am rather sure (could be wrong) is no longer.
The Chevy Vette Fest was replaced by the MCACN - Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals - where you can earn a Triple Diamond award.
The show is judging by NRCS/ Bloomington Gold judges.
The car must be a Top Flight Car and a Bloomington Gold winner within the last 5 years.

http://www.mcacn.com/diamond.htm

The show is unreal
One of the best shows in the country - It is first class. - I highly rec this show !!!
You will never see a better collection in one place of COPO's, Winged cars, Factory race cars under one roof.....
Our car earned a Triple Diamond award last year

[Roy S.]

[Chris S.]

Re: Triple Crown

Does not change the fact that the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals piggy backs on Bloomington and NCRS by requiring their awards be earned – without ever verifying the awards were earned in either organization and the last time I saw their score sheets they looked like plagiarized Bloomington score sheets but that’s a Bloomington issue. For the record the NCRS trained judges the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals use are not NCRS judges while they are at any event other than NCRS.

They do verify the awards - you have to send MCACN photocopies of your awards before being allowed to attend. Regardless, it is another great event for car lovers which we all are, were you see the very best of the very best.

[Roy S.]

Re: Triple Crown

They do verify the awards - you have to send MCACN photocopies of your awards before being allowed to attend. Regardless, it is another great event for car lovers which we all are, were you see the very best of the very best.

Chris we best agree to disagree, the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals do not verify the awards with the issuing organizations. The reason both organizations have processes where the awards can be verified is among other reasons because of the amount of deceit and forgery that occurs when awards are piggy backed without the issuing organizations approval or acceptance. If you think they do, then explain how there are multiple triple whatever awards which have been presented where the vehicle was never at NCRS and/or Bloomington.

[Dave B.]

Re: Triple Crown

Every carguy needs to go to the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals at least once. It is the best muscle car show in the country in my opinion. The Triple Diamond is a very nice award and I have seen many familiar faces judging my cars there. If you have achieved Top Flight and Bloomington Gold it is a great next step in my opinion. I have had a Boss mustang, 442, GTO, Chevelle judged there as well as my Corvettes. The judges that judged them were some of the top judges in the country and the Gold Concours Award that you aspire to means something. In any event you will have a great time and be able to view the best of the best under one roof.

[Chris S.]

Re: Triple Crown

Chris we best agree to disagree, the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals do not verify the awards with the issuing organizations. The reason both organizations have processes where the awards can be verified is among other reasons because of the amount of deceit and forgery that occurs when awards are piggy backed without the issuing organizations approval or acceptance. If you think they do, then explain how there are multiple triple whatever awards which have been presented where the vehicle was never at NCRS and/or Bloomington.

Roy, I do not have insider information on what Bob and his team do - as far as Contacting BG or NCRS to verify awards. I will tell you my personal experience that I had to submit copies of my awards, before I was accepted. As far as deceit and forgeries, I cant speak to that, But I think it is good feedback for Bob. I am sure he would be receptive. There is dishonest people in every organization BG and NCRS included, fact of life, we are dealing with human beings. But I think we can take this show as a positive for the Corvette and muscle car world we live in. As you see from Dave's comments above - the show is unreal (as are Dave's cars :-) - - Roy, I will personally take this subject as discuss it with Bob. It is his show and maybe he will take your advice and contact BG and NCRS to verify awards. - - Thanks for you input Roy.....Chris

[Roy S.]

Re: Triple Crown

Roy, I do not have insider information on what Bob and his team do - as far as Contacting BG or NCRS to verify awards. I will tell you my personal experience that I had to submit copies of my awards, before I was accepted. As far as deceit and forgeries, I cant speak to that, But I think it is good feedback for Bob. I am sure he would be receptive. There is dishonest people in every organization BG and NCRS included, fact of life, we are dealing with human beings. But I think we can take this show as a positive for the Corvette and muscle car world we live in. As you see from Dave's comments above - the show is unreal (as are Dave's cars :-) - - Roy, I will personally take this subject as discuss it with Bob. It is his show and maybe he will take your advice and contact BG and NCRS to verify awards. - - Thanks for you input Roy.....Chris

You will find he declined.

[Michael J.]

Re: Triple Crown

Thanks for all the info here about the Triple Crown issues. I was starting to look for a Triple Crown winner to purchase, now I know all the problems involved with it and what to look out for an due diligence needed, beyond physical inspections.

[Roy S.]

Re: Triple Crown

Thanks for all the info here about the Triple Crown issues. I was starting to look for a Triple Crown winner to purchase, now I know all the problems involved with it and what to look out for an due diligence needed, beyond physical inspections.

[Dave B.]

Re: Triple Crown

My opinion is that the problems mentioned involve a very small segment of the hobby. I personally choose to think that most people are honest as opposed to treating everyone as crooks until they prove themselves as innocent. If you have any concern about an NCRS award you can pay to have the award history verified. Bob Ashton, the owner of the show, is without doubt one of the hardest workers for the hobby and one if it's most ardent supporters. His partners in the show include many of the most respected names in the muscle car hobby. They have worked tirelesslyas a team using every contact they have to not only insure it's integrity, but create an event that every year you leave saying how could top that and the next year they somehow manage to do so. One of the things that has always struck me about the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals is the amount of smiles and laughter that I see and hear there. Other events in the hobby could learn from this.

[Michael J.]

Re: Triple Crown

Boy, I hear you there Roy. Considering the astronomical prices asked for Triple Crown Corvettes, it is very tempting to fake such things, especially to buyers who have not employed the proper resources to perform a very meticulous due diligence on the car. I know, people shouldn't do that, but we all know it happens far too often.

[Roy S.]

Re: Triple Crown

My opinion is that the problems mentioned involve a very small segment of the hobby. I personally choose to think that most people are honest as opposed to treating everyone as crooks until they prove themselves as innocent. If you have any concern about an NCRS award you can pay to have the award history verified. Bob Ashton, the owner of the show, is without doubt one of the hardest workers for the hobby and one if it's most ardent supporters. His partners in the show include many of the most respected names in the muscle car hobby. They have worked tirelesslyas a team using every contact they have to not only insure it's integrity, but create an event that every year you leave saying how could top that and the next year they somehow manage to do so. One of the things that has always struck me about the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals is the amount of smiles and laughter that I see and hear there. Other events in the hobby could learn from this.

[Dave B.]

Re: Triple Crown

Totally agree on need to verify claims as a part of due diligence prior to purchasing a car. Just as crooked in my opinion is the car that you verified all of the awards, but the owner removed all of the rare parts and replaced with repops or etc. yet he is representing it as a Top Flight or Duntov car. Unless you really know the person and have great trust in that person you should always have someone smarter than yourself look at the car prior to purchasing. Also, Roy you should go to the Muscle Car Nationals. Once you attend one I can promise that you will come back the next year. It is that good!