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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15610

    #16
    Re: 63 alternator

    AC/Delco has not manufactured or re-manufactured alternators (or starter motors, or anything else for that matter) for at least 20 years, so whatever you get in a Delco box is going to be pretty much the same as what you get in any other brand box. Delco is nothing more than a marketing outfit that contracts for parts from outside vendors who package them in a "Delco" box. There is nothing to be gained by buying "Delco".

    Try napaonline.com with your make, year, model, etc. and you will probably find a reasonable cost functional replacement that should "bolt-on" with all the original mounting and harness connectors (assuming bubba hasn't messed them up). Or you can do the same at your locak FLAPS or their Web site. If you have a proper OE number Delco alternator on the car now, DON'T turn it in as a core. A rebuildable OE-numbered Corvette alternator is worth a lot more than the core charge.

    Most 32-42 amp Delco alternators can be upgraded to 50-60 amp output simply by installing denser winding stator coils, but that still leaves a question of whether the output wires and voltage regulator can handle the additional load assuming that the car has additional electical accessories that actually add to the OE design load.

    Delco alternators (and starter motors) are designed for specific applications using a family of parts, and any frame size will usually accept at least a couple of different stator windings that have different outputs. Most internal parts are still manufactured (but not by GM) and available in more than half a dozen "brands", but like igntion parts, they are probably made by only one, or maybe two manufacturers, but the various "brands" use different marketing channels.

    System voltage is maintained by the regulator shutting off the field (rotor) windings at about 16V, and re-energizing the field at about 12V. This can be seen on an oscilloscope as a rounded off square wave, but on a voltmeter it will show up as about 14V steady with the alternator at operating temperature.

    Generator field coils are on the frame and power is generated in the rotating armature, so the brushes see full system current output. Alternators have the load generating coils on the frame and the rotating coils are the field, so the brushes don't see more than about 4.5 amps and, therefore, last a lot longer.

    Alternators have a good sized ball bearing on the front frame (to handle belt force loads) and a caged needle bearing in the rear frame. I think some generators only have bronze bushings especially on the rear. Maybe someone else can clarify.

    In any event, alternators were a BIG improvement on the traditional automotive generator design.

    I rebuilt the alternator in my '63. All the procedures and specs are in the 1963 Corvette Shop Manual. The front ball bearing looked like new, so I just cleaned and regreased it. All the electical components - rotor, stator diode trio, and rectifieer bridge checked out, so I reused them. The rear needle bearing was difficult to inspect, so I just replaced it along with the brushes. That was back in the mid-seventies and I doubt if the needle bearing and brush set cost more than about ten bucks, total.

    Duke

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43193

      #17
      Re: 63 alternator

      Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
      AC/Delco has not manufactured or re-manufactured alternators (or starter motors, or anything else for that matter) for at least 20 years, so whatever you get in a Delco box is going to be pretty much the same as what you get in any other brand box. Delco is nothing more than a marketing outfit that contracts for parts from outside vendors who package them in a "Delco" box. There is nothing to be gained by buying "Delco".

      Try napaonline.com with your make, year, model, etc. and you will probably find a reasonable cost functional replacement that should "bolt-on" with all the original mounting and harness connectors (assuming bubba hasn't messed them up). Or you can do the same at your locak FLAPS or their Web site. If you have a proper OE number Delco alternator on the car now, DON'T turn it in as a core. A rebuildable OE-numbered Corvette alternator is worth a lot more than the core charge.

      Most 32-42 amp Delco alternators can be upgraded to 50-60 amp output simply by installing denser winding stator coils, but that still leaves a question of whether the output wires and voltage regulator can handle the additional load assuming that the car has additional electical accessories that actually add to the OE design load.

      Delco alternators (and starter motors) are designed for specific applications using a family of parts, and any frame size will usually accept at least a couple of different stator windings that have different outputs. Most internal parts are still manufactured (but not by GM) and available in more than half a dozen "brands", but like igntion parts, they are probably made by only one, or maybe two manufacturers, but the various "brands" use different marketing channels.

      System voltage is maintained by the regulator shutting off the field (rotor) windings at about 16V, and re-energizing the field at about 12V. This can be seen on an oscilloscope as a rounded off square wave, but on a voltmeter it will show up as about 14V steady with the alternator at operating temperature.

      Generator field coils are on the frame and power is generated in the rotating armature, so the brushes see full system current output. Alternators have the load generating coils on the frame and the rotating coils are the field, so the brushes don't see more than about 4.5 amps and, therefore, last a lot longer.

      Alternators have a good sized ball bearing on the front frame (to handle belt force loads) and a caged needle bearing in the rear frame. I think some generators only have bronze bushings especially on the rear. Maybe someone else can clarify.

      In any event, alternators were a BIG improvement on the traditional automotive generator design.

      I rebuilt the alternator in my '63. All the procedures and specs are in the 1963 Corvette Shop Manual. The front ball bearing looked like new, so I just cleaned and regreased it. All the electical components - rotor, stator diode trio, and rectifieer bridge checked out, so I reused them. The rear needle bearing was difficult to inspect, so I just replaced it along with the brushes. That was back in the mid-seventies and I doubt if the needle bearing and brush set cost more than about ten bucks, total.

      Duke
      Duke-----

      It is true that Delco no longer manufactures anything. However, there are all sorts of commercial alternator rebuilders out there and all alternators are definitely not rebuilt to the same standards. In some cases, very few internal parts are actually replaced (sometimes only bearings and brushes with everything else "cleaned" and re-used). I've disassembled some of these rebuilds and I didn't like what I found. Whoever rebuilds these for Delco, though, does a much better job and more parts are replaced. Of course, there may be other quality rebuilds out there but I can't advise as to what they are. I do know, though, that the Delco rebuilds are high quality and that's why I recommend them.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Ron R.
        Very Frequent User
        • May 31, 1993
        • 190

        #18
        Re: 63 alternator

        Joe,

        Just did an intermet search for an AC Delco alternator in my local area parts store, only one that came up was OKI, they said they had one for my 63 for a very reasonable price, only problem was it was rated at 61 amps. Do you think this is too high?

        Ron

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        • Duke W.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • January 1, 1993
          • 15610

          #19
          Re: 63 alternator

          What's the electical system configuration of your '63. Does it have A/C? Does it have any additional equipment beyond OE that increases system load?What is OKI? ...some "brand"?Duke

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          • Duke W.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • January 1, 1993
            • 15610

            #20
            Re: 63 alternator

            Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
            Duke-----It is true that Delco no longer manufactures anything. However, there are all sorts of commercial alternator rebuilders out there and all alternators are definitely not rebuilt to the same standards. In some cases, very few internal parts are actually replaced (sometimes only bearings and brushes with everything else "cleaned" and re-used). I've disassembled some of these rebuilds and I didn't like what I found. Whoever rebuilds these for Delco, though, does a much better job and more parts are replaced. Of course, there may be other quality rebuilds out there but I can't advise as to what they are. I do know, though, that the Delco rebuilds are high quality and that's why I recommend them.
            I agree, but I believe if you insist on a "brand name" like Echlin, Standard, Niehoff, etc. you will also get a reasonably good quality part. Avoid any brand names you don't recognize. Been there, done that.As a general rule a "remanufactured" part like an alternator or stater motor will have more new internal parts that one that is advertised as "rebuilt".Duke

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            • Ron R.
              Very Frequent User
              • May 31, 1993
              • 190

              #21
              Re: 63 alternator

              Duke,

              Had the car for over 45 years, no mods made to this radio delete car........

              Ron

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              • Edward J.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • September 15, 2008
                • 6940

                #22
                Re: 63 alternator

                Ron, If your car has the original alternator maybe your alternator can be rebuilt. Its getting to be a dying trade locally. but its worth trying to locate a rebuilder in your area.The biggest issue with these style alternators is brushes and bearings
                New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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                • Duke W.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • January 1, 1993
                  • 15610

                  #23
                  Re: 63 alternator

                  So it doesn't have A/C? Does it have the original ...628 (non-A/C) alternator? What about my other question?

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                  • Timothy B.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • April 30, 1983
                    • 5177

                    #24
                    Re: 63 alternator

                    Ron,

                    I have some 628 alternators and there is a AC Delco rebuilder in my area, depending on the build bate of your engine and needed alternator date I may be able to help. I hope it's OK to say this here.

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                    • Ron R.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • May 31, 1993
                      • 190

                      #25
                      Re: 63 alternator

                      Has a 64 alternator, OKI is a local retail parts store in the area..................no A/C but is a fuel car............

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                      • Duke W.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • January 1, 1993
                        • 15610

                        #26
                        Re: 63 alternator

                        So it's a matter of whether the rebuilt altenator is a brand name, or a no name from a local rebuilder. I would still recommend a brand name, but it doesn't have to be Delco. If the '64 alternator has a correct '64 OE part number, don't turn it in as a core. Someone will want it.The alternator will only generate enough current to satisfy the electrical load. A higher output alternator will not generate it's maximum output unless additional accessories are installed that increase the electrical load, so in your case a higher output alternator won't excessively stress the wiring system.Duke

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