New 7th Edition 63 Judging Guide

[Michael H.]

How does the system work on new/revised Judging Guides? Now that the latest version (6th) was released, do people begin to gather information for corrections now or is there a period of idle time between versions?

Is there a revision team forming for the 7th edition?

Thanks

[Terry M.]

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Mike,
There are no set rules or "normal practices" or SOP that I know of for the questions you ask. They can only be answered on a case by case basis by the National Judging Chairman -- David Brigham. Now if Dave choses to establish some guidelines..... But again, that is his call.

I expect Dave is still busy with the results of the National Convention. I suggest you give it some time and then communicate with him directly.

[Michael H.]

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Thanks Terry. I was just curious.

[Bob J.]

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Is there a revision team forming for the 7th edition?

Thanks

Expecting an invite to be on the new team?

[Michael H.]

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Expecting an invite to be on the new team?

No, just wondering who/where to send a correction or two.

[Mike E.]

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I'm very new to NCRS so just throwing out an idea, perhaps it's already been considered, if so forgive me.

Could they make available draft versions in PDF format and post them online for folks to review prior to printing? With printing costs what they are today it could avoid some issues prior to going to print.

I would also love to see the Judges Guide's available in electronic format to make it searchable. But do understand that opens up a whole can of worms. Perhaps a Kindle version that has built in digital rights management?

Mike

[Gary C.]

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Mike,

Please read the article in the Restorer Vol 39, number 4, Spring 2013 about the level of effort it takes to update a Judging Manual.

Gary
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[Mike E.]

Re: New 7th Edition 63 Judging Guide

Mike,

Please read the article in the Restorer Vol 39, number 4, Spring 2013 about the level of effort it takes to update a Judging Manual.

Gary
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I just read the article thanks...WOW what an effort! I didn’t mean to belittle all the work by a team of people. My problem is my only point of reference was from my 1965 Fifth Edition that was from the winter of 2003 and this format preceded your groups hard work. That being said it contains tons of great information yet has a few errors that could cause folks to really damage their restoration.

For one it mentions "Mitting" parts of the chassis which has been debunked completely by people that worked at St. Louis yet a few folks even on the TSB still quote as if it actually happened.
I’m only about 15% done with my restoration and both the JG and the TSB have been incredible resource.

I’m planning on getting more hands on with NCRS as an organization in the future but my primary focus for the next couple of years is just getting my car back together hopefully close to the way it was when it was new.

Sorry it was not my intent to hijack this thread regarding the process of developing a Judging Guide. Hopefully the 1965 Sixth edition won't be too far out.

Mike

[Michael H.]

Re: New 7th Edition 63 Judging Guide

Mike,

Please read the article in the Restorer Vol 39, number 4, Spring 2013 about the level of effort it takes to update a Judging Manual.

Gary
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Hi Gary,

I just reread the Restorer article that you suggested. Even more interesting the second time.

I do have a question though. In part of the article, it states that there are three requirements for corrections/revision suggestions that are submitted for inclusion. 1) Follow the format, 2) Include photos, and 3) Include the technical service bulletins.

If documentation/proof is required for any JG changes, I have to wonder if someone on the 63-64 team was able to provide that documentation/proof/photos for some of the changes that were made in the new 6th edition, such as the complete absence of a chassis black coating on the rear suspension and drive.
in other words, no changes/corrections/revisions are made without this documentation?

If that documentation is available, I would very much like to see it or know where I can find it so I can learn. That's the focus, intent and direction of NCRS so I'm sure that information is available.

Thanks

[Gary C.]

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Mike and Michael,

Those were the rules for the 56-7 JM revision team. Sorry, but I don't have any info on the JM revision rules for any other team.

There were several items from the original first 56-7 JM that were suspected to be incorrect such as a vacuum advance distributor. We were lucky to get period Delco information that proved there was no vacuum advance distributor, but it took six months and lots of phone calls and emails.

Retired GM engineers will tell you that an engineer always spec'd some kind of anti rust coating on parts. In some cases the production parts and OTC part counter parts received different anti rust coating.

Gary
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[Reba W.]

[Mark D.]

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The first step in correcting any perceived error has been to notify the appropriate team leader

There ya have it, Cranky...get with it. You too, JunkY Master B!

[Michael H.]

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There ya have it, Cranky...get with it. You too, JunkY Master B!

I tried that a time or two. Or three. With a LOT of proof and documentation, and the vast majority/near 100% of member agreement. I can't do it again.

[Bob J.]

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There ya have it, Cranky...get with it. You too, JunkY Master B!

Theory and reality aren't always the same, Piper

[Peter L.]

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Michael - Only 2. Pete