Help fine cleaning frame

[Scott F.]

Today I am prepping my frame for paint, I am going to be using the old Krylon 1613 paint. Can you guys give me some insight about getting in the fine nooks and crannies of the frame and inside the exposed inner frame parts? Up to this point I have been using and angle grinder with a brown 3M pad. I am posting some pictures before and after so you can get an idea of what I am talking about. I am nervous about using anything like a wire wheel for fear of putting wheel scratches in the frame.
As always thank you for your help.
Scott

[Steven B.]

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Scott, for getting in all are are, including INSIDE the frame in unreachable areas, leaving no marks, and cleaning ALL residue dipping, like Reddi-Strip, works. Blasting will leave residue inside. Steve

[Brandon T.]

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They make a inner frame coating that comes with a 2' tube so you can spray up inside the frame. Eastwood has it for about 20 dollars per can.

[Scott F.]

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Hi Steve, I am doing a body on restoration so I won't be able to dip the frame. Thanks for responding!
Scott

[Scott F.]

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Hi Brandon, is it ok for judging?
Scott

[Patrick H.]

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I'm going to suggest that the Krylon isn't that durable, and is not a great choice for a frame. There are far better materials we mentioned in your other thread.

Have you ever used a wire brush on a drill? You're not going to make any marks that anyone ever notices.

[Brandon T.]

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Not sure about the judging but I just had mine dipped and sent it to be powder coated which i know judges will knock off points for powder coating but I want my frame to be in good condition and last for my kids to enjoy years down the road.

[Scott F.]

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Hey Patrick, I know we discussed the Rustoleum brush on, I tried that on a piece and I don't seem to be very good with a brush. HAhaha is there a spray in the same paint that is durable?
I have used a wire wheel many times but was cautioned that the scratches would cause point deductions.

Scott

[Scott F.]

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I will have to check into it a little further. Thanks for the help
Scott

[Steve L.]

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I think you are doing an admirable job by cleaning up the frame with the body on. Your frame actually looks very good for what looks like a 73. Looks like you have removed the rear bumpers and gas tank.

I don't think it is really possible to clean a frame with wire wheels or anything that requires rubbing like sanding etc. You just can't get into corners and around parts. That's where sand blasting or acid dip comes into play. But taking a body off is a lot of effort and may lead to damage to body and parts. I would say that your frame is too good to do a body off.

Your not going to get that appearance your looking for of a nicely painted frame without a body off. Even spray painted, you will get paint on parts that shouldn't have paint and will get point reductions.

Without seeing the rest of the frame in your pictures, I would leave things as is. After all, it is a 40 yr car. It must have been looked after really well.

As far as paint is concerned, I agree with Patrick that rattle cans will not be durable and will deteriate with peeling and rust though and you will regret that you did it.

There are many that use DP90 from PPG which is a 2 part self etching primer for their frames.Followed by an enamel top coat since the DP90 is affected by UV. But it is pricey and you can brush it on but it will look brushed on. Most use an air sprayer. The surface needs to be rust free. Some have also used POR15 which is a Paint Over Rust but it can chip and will look too thick and it is messy to work with since it cannot be sprayed. If you get it on your skin, it will literally take a wk to get it off.

I suspect that no matter what you do, you will not get into every nook and craney to paint. But your eye will see the unpainted parts. Anyways, just some thoughts.

[Patrick H.]

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Hey Patrick, I know we discussed the Rustoleum brush on, I tried that on a piece and I don't seem to be very good with a brush. HAhaha is there a spray in the same paint that is durable?
I have used a wire wheel many times but was cautioned that the scratches would cause point deductions.

Scott

You can add some of the stuff that helps it flow; someone else mentioned that.
Also, Eastwood sells some good products, and FAR better spray-ons than Krylon.

http://www.eastwood.com/ew-chassis-black-satin-aerosol-14-oz.html

It comes in brush on and aerosol.
Also, if you spray it on you WILL get overspray where you don't want to get it, no matter what. Just giving you that heads up right now. And, you may want to look at wax & grease remover prior to painting to avoid fisheyes.

Note that there are only 13 points for originality and 12 for condition on your frame. That's 25 total, and you'd lose as much for a burned out bulb in the Operations section as you would if your frame was made of 2x4's and painted green.
I sure as heck wouldn't worry about the possible one (1) point deduction if someone laying on their back under your frame spots a brush mark...

As noted before you really need to learn the judging system and points if you're going to fuss about them.

[Scott F.]

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Steve, thank you for your insight. The car is a 73, I would be interested in how you knew that? I have fought back and forth with pulling the body but came to the same conclusion you did. There is really no need to dive into that on this car at this point.
This car has actually been sitting since 1985 before I rescued it from the dark. Hahaha. I do have a set of paint guns and considers going that route but I have a few people I have been talking to and they all agreed the Krylon was a great alternative and that was what they used.
My plan for painting no matter what I use is to mask off or remove any and every part that is not suppose to have paint so to not have anything with the overspray on it.
with all this being said, I am still learning and open to ideas.
I do foresee a body off in the distant future when I finish this car and find the next one and do it. Hahaha So I guess the frame paint at this point is temporary for a few years I would say. This may not make any sense to most people why I would do all of this to redo it again few years from now but this is me and my wife's date car so I have to be ready for date season next year.
Scott

[Scott F.]

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Yes I agree on learning the points and have taken the appropriate steps to do so but asking questions (you will never hear me fuss) here is part of that learning process. I even attended my first NCRS meeting (great group of guys in Tulsa) yesterday and stayed for the tech training afterwards. I will take a look at the link you posted too. I do have a can of wax and grease remover to prevent fisheye.
Thanks!
Scott

[Scott F.]

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Don, ugh???? I think your observation is spot on...I thought this car had to be as close 100% from the factory as possible to enjoy the NCRS.
That is music to my ears because I would prob have tried to kill myself getting it there. My wife and I want to enjoy the car as well as the NCRS experience. Thank you for clarifying that for me because it immediately changed my mindset. Those who know me from a previous forum know I can be a bit of a bull in a china closet on this kind of deal but will ask lots of questions, work hard, learn and share the success of this build with everyone. I just hope my questioning doesn't frustrate people. Hahaha
thanks
Scott

[Bill H.]

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Scott, since you already have the guns, you can shoot something better than the Krylon. I use Summit's Chassis Shield. It's a high solids, 2 part urethane, much more durable than Krylon. The 1/2 gallon kit (1 qt. on paint & 1 qt. of hardener) is $53.00. Here's how it comes out: