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  • John D.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • December 1, 1979
    • 5507

    #16
    Re: Judging fallout

    Doug etal, A NOS antenna is not necessarily a correct part. First time my 63 was judged at Marlborough it had a NOS antenna bought from Chevy. I bought it in the early 80's. Lost points as NTP. THe nice judge said lets take a look at some other 63's. As I recall there were a ton of them at the show. My antenna looked like it belonged with a CB radio.
    That's why we need to preserve these bowtie cars and not make them into pretty showcars with all the bling.
    Hose clamp orientation. Sorry but the hose clamps were not always installed on the assembly line the way we want to see them. Having looked at a lot of pics of brand new cars and pics in Noland Adams I have found the clamps may be all over the board. But the most typical way a clamp was installed is clearly shown in the 64 section of Noland Adams Doug. See page 329 for a start. Then page 330. Oops. Ignore page 330 as the clamps are incorrect. Notice the hex head. Look at page 331.
    No book: Clamps are typically turned so the top of the pan head slotted screw is on the back side of the hose-close to the master cylinder. The head is about horizonal with the hood or close to it.
    Overlap on the clamps is a tough one. Somewhere in my notes (will never find it) I believe the loop is about 3-1/2 inches.
    Long Island has a very nice repro clamp. I know as I supplied a NOS one years ago to Richard so he could have these made. Has all the correct info on the clamp. Head is almost dead nuts.
    Problem most of us have with the clamps on our show cars is they typically have the incorrect in finish. Originals were not zincad plated. They looked like an old paint bucket. Dull gavenized. They had/have lines in them running the length of the clamp. Rather unattractive but original.
    The ones Chevy sold had a recessed hex screw/bolt with a screw driver slot. Heard they were used on diesel truck exhaust in the old days.
    Refer to the pics in NA's book Doug and others. Even though it was printed 25-30 years ago there are some really neat original photos in there. Your job is to disregard the photos used from restored cars.
    Michael Hanson just taught me a new one. When you see a fuel car that has a distorted air cleaner adapter hose it's typically from a car with power brakes. The AC was mounted further toward the rad. support. See page 230 in NA's book.
    Later as back to work. JD

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    • Bob J.
      Very Frequent User
      • December 1, 1977
      • 713

      #17
      Re: Judging fallout

      Originally posted by William Clupper (618)
      Just as an aside, the part numbers for the '63 and '64 antenna are different 985687 for '64 vs 985658 for 1963, at least in the GM parts books. It appears that the AIM was not changed as the same part is listed in both aims. Part number difference would presume a functional change.
      Bill, those are the exact same numbers my books show.
      100_2206.jpg100_2208.jpg100_2211.jpg

      First pic is from a 63 radio book page and the far right is a 64 P&A page.Bob

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      • John D.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • December 1, 1979
        • 5507

        #18
        Re: Judging fallout

        Just measure the antenna on my 63 coupe. From the white paint to the top of the round ball it's 14-7/8".
        Not sure if my antenna is a 63 now or a 64. I pushed it down as far as it would go. The round ball area sticks up about 1/4".
        Meaning 1/4" of the round area of the antenna would have to go down for the ball to be touching.
        Sounds like it might be a 64 but I don't know and wouldn't dream of taking the car apart to change it now. Whew!!!!! JD

        I figures the whole thing on my end. I have a NOS antenna in the original box. Same one that is on my car. Part # is 985922. I tool Jorjorians parts page and saved is as. Then right clicked the mouse and blew the info up. Turns out the one in my box and the antenna on my 63, the LWC is not a Corvette part. It's a Chevy Passenger car part. I bought two of these antennas from frequent board members here. Yeah wouldn't you know it. But I am not complaining.
        The 922 is a very nice part but I imagine it would get dinged at a show now.
        "922 is not the same as Pauls' nice pic and part.

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        • Doug L.
          Expired
          • March 14, 2010
          • 442

          #19
          Re: Judging fallout

          Hi guys, I'm back. Thanks for all the interest. As to the clamp, my neighbor Mike Heggy who has a '64 L-84 produced weeks before mine sent photos of the FI air hose clamp as mentioned above. After looking at his photos I think I understood why mine was installed incorrectly and changed it. Here is an "after" photo. Mine was with the screw at a 90 degree angle to the band. Now it is parallel. The "tail" passes through the slot on the right (in this photo) from above and is doubled back on itself so that the remainder of the tail is between the tail and the hose. Hard to describe. Hope this is correct. Re the antenna, I think I may have misunderstood what the judge told me. I reviewed the JG and my antenna seems to correspond exactly to what it says. Mine has 4 sections (JG). Chrome nut with 2 notches (JG). Chrome spacer (JG). Black plastic gasket (JG). The upper 3 retract into the fixed base section (JG). Ball 1/4" dia (JG). The fixed base section is 14-3/4" (JG says 15" but "varies from car to car". If I call the sections 1, 2, 3 and 4 with the base being 1, The smallest upper section (4) retracts until the ball is against the next section (3). Three retracts but only to within 3/4" of two. Two retracts to within 1-7/8" of #1 the base section. Any guesses as to what I have? I don't plan to replace it but am curious. Doug
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          • Edward J.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • September 15, 2008
            • 6940

            #20
            Re: Judging fallout

            Doug, it appears as your antenna is exactly as my 63, and from Paul's Pic. of his NOS antenna it appears as though the upper 3 masts do not re-track completely on ours. mine is a NOS replacement, yours?
            New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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            • Doug L.
              Expired
              • March 14, 2010
              • 442

              #21
              Re: Judging fallout

              In answer to Ed's question, I have no idea what my antenna is. That's what I'm trying to determine. That and what identifies it as non-original. From all the information above I assume the difference has something to do with the retraction of the sections since everything else about the antenna is according to the JG. Maybe all except the base section are supposed to retract completely into the section below. There is nothing mentioned in the JG about this aspect. Any judges care to enlighten us? Doug

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              • Tim T.
                Expired
                • December 9, 2009
                • 141

                #22
                Re: Judging fallout

                Doug,
                sections 2,3,&4 should all completely retract into 4 as Paul's photo shows.
                I purchased an original one last year and all top 3 sections completely retract into the bottom section that is approx 15 inches high
                Tim

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                • Michael J.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 27, 2009
                  • 7073

                  #23
                  Re: Judging fallout

                  Originally posted by Tim Tschanz (51111)
                  Doug,
                  sections 2,3,&4 should all completely retract into 4 as Paul's photo shows.
                  I purchased an original one last year and all top 3 sections completely retract into the bottom section that is approx 15 inches high
                  Tim
                  Agreed, that is the way my '64 is as well.
                  Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                  • Jerry P.
                    Frequent User
                    • September 30, 1989
                    • 85

                    #24
                    Re: Judging fallout

                    Friend of just purchased a '66 cp... power antena is inop.... any one know someone that repairs these... thanks jer

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                    • Gary B.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • February 1, 1997
                      • 6979

                      #25
                      Re: Judging fallout

                      Originally posted by Jerry Palmer (15845)
                      Friend of just purchased a '66 cp... power antena is inop.... any one know someone that repairs these... thanks jer
                      Jerry,

                      Lots of people, including me, recommend Greg Thompson: http://c2powerantenna.com/

                      Gary

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