My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

[Bruce B.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

Bill,
My experience with Ohio inspection of out of state vehicles is as follows:

I went to a Chevrolet dealer for inspection.
The young inspector asks, what kind of car is this, a 54 Corvette which I bought?
Where is the VIN tag? On the door jamb.
OK it matches the bill of sale, here is your signed inspection document.
I took the bill of sale and inspection paperwork to a BMV officeand had a title in 5 minutes.
Not much of a inspection and absolutely no safety inspection.
Now if you go to the State Patrol they will put you through the mill, but why go to them...
Bruce B

[Eric J.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

I find it interesting the 58 VIN is so low #10. I would start looking at the tag. Repop? Then see if there are any Alabama/Montana etc titles in its past. I would assume that #10 was a pilot car that didn't exist anymore and wouldn't pop up in the years to come. A safe long gone VIN. Eric

[Eric J.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

My database of 8,000 VIN Entries does not have 58 #10 or 59 #1144. That doesn't mean anything other than I have never seen it.

I do have 58#06, #08, #13 and 59#1071,#1161 #1162

[Joe L.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

My database of 8,000 VIN Entries does not have 58 #10 or 59 #1144. That doesn't mean anything other than I have never seen it.

I do have 58#06, #08, #13 and 59#1071,#1161 #1162

Eric-------


I'm not surprised, at all, that you don't have 1959 #1144 in your database. I fully expect that car "ceased to exist" a long time ago. I think the only database that number will be found in is a law enforcement stolen vehicle data base, assuming it has not been purged by now.

[Dan A.]

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Eric-------


I'm not surprised, at all, that you don't have 1959 #1144 in your database. I fully expect that car "ceased to exist" a long time ago. I think the only database that number will be found in is a law enforcement stolen vehicle data base, assuming it has not been purged by now.

The original poster stated that the car was in Canada at one time. The Ontario stolen car list drops VINs of stolen cars after 5 years. If the car came out of Quebecs the probability of tampering rises dramatically.

[Edward B.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

It might be advantageous for someone involved to send a link to this discussion to Donnie Gould at AA. His is a relatively young auction company and I am sure he would not be pleased with the "publicity" his company is receiving among such an influential group as NCRS. It may be a way to hasten a total rescission of the transaction which is the only acceptable solution for "60000."

[Bob H.]

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Hoping Hugh gives us an update

[David K.]

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Just a curious note. Could the car have been restored usiing a frame from a resto rod conversion? How many cars are out there with a frame that has been replaced because of rust or crash damage? Not saying it is right, just saying it could be what happened. Maybe I missed that post in this thread.

[Joe L.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

Just a curious note. Could the car have been restored usiing a frame from a resto rod conversion? How many cars are out there with a frame that has been replaced because of rust or crash damage? Not saying it is right, just saying it could be what happened. Maybe I missed that post in this thread.

David------

The car is a 1959 model year and has a 1959 VIN derivative on the frame. The VIN plate and associated title is for a 1958 Corvette. If the car was a 1958 model year, had a 1959 VIN derivative on the frame, and a 1958 Corvette VIN plate and title, then what you suggest would be a possibility. Given the circumstances, what you suggest is a virtual impossibility. No 1959 Corvette can EVER experience a metamorphosis and become a 1958 Corvette.

[David K.]

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Gotcha, sorry about my confused state! lol Is the body really a '58? There are some differences between the '59 and '58 like the front fender bracing and I think the inside location of the door pulls. Anyhow, as many have said, get your money back from the AA!

[Joe L.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

Gotcha, sorry about my confused state! lol Is the body really a '58? There are some differences between the '59 and '58 like the front fender bracing and I think the inside location of the door pulls. Anyhow, as many have said, get your money back from the AA!

David------


The body is a 1959, the frame VIN derivative is a 1959 (most likely, these originally came together). The only part that's a 1958 is the VIN tag and title.

Now, if the person that originally perpetrated this had just stolen a 1958 Corvette, very likely none of this would have come to light. Even if someone did check the frame VIN derivative, they would just assume it was a replaced frame. Usually, when this kind of VIN switch fraud gets discovered it's because of the very issue here------someone finally figures out that the VIN plate and title do not match the year model of the car. I'm even aware of cases in which the VIN and title do not match the MAKE and MODEL of the car!

Believe me, there are a WHOLE BUNCH of cars out there with year model that matches the VIN but that are stolen cars with a switched VIN tag.

[David K.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

Joe, you are correct. 40yrs.+ ago, a friend bought what was titled a a '58. It was though actually a '59 (thought it had a changed hood,etc.). The people who started this charade attached a '58 Biscayne tag and title to the car. This was back in '72 when my friend bought it, so a lot has been learned since then. He went to get insurance on it and the insurance co. noticed something is not right. The car was hot! The person who it was stolen from, wanted his car back and got it back, as it was removed from my friends property. My friend, went back to sue who he bought it from, that guy went back to sue who he bought it from. Finally it all ended up where the theif was in jail and you can't get blood from a turnip. As the bills mounted to reclaim money lost, lets not forget my friend had also started to spend money on the car to fix it. Many items were rescued from this car before it "disappeared".

[Edward B.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

It having been three weeks since the last posting, is it inappropriate to ask for an update on the resolution of the OP's problem?

[David K.]

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I don't think it is too late. An update would be great to know though!

[Jerome P.]

Re: My Vin Plate and Frame Number don't match?

Hugh, good or bad an update would be interesting and appreciated.