GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

[Gary C.]

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sounds like you're volunteering Jack? NCRS can always use some help. Gary....

[James B.]

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"If you have some docs (like a tank sticker or window sticker, Car Shipper, etc.) and aren't sure about its accuracy or authenticity, the "Document Validation Service" will answer that question."[/QUOTE]

First service sounds great and well worth $40 but the second?

So if I understand this service it is simply NCRS judges making judgement calls on paperwork submitted. They do not have any manufacturers data (other than the shipment records to by vin to dealer) to back up their conclusions. Also, not sure I want my original, irreplaceable , fragile tank sticker sent through the mails?? Could this service be offered at regional meets so that these documents don't have to mailed or out of owners control?

[Michael W.]

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First service sounds great and well worth $40 but the second?

So if I understand this service it is simply NCRS judges making judgement calls on paperwork submitted. They do not have any manufacturers data (other than the shipment records to by vin to dealer) to back up their conclusions. Also, not sure I want my original, irreplaceable , fragile tank sticker sent through the mails?? Could this service be offered at regional meets so that these documents don't have to mailed or out of owners control?

Why not READ what the web page actually says:

"Visit the NCRS Historic Document Services website www.NCRS.org/services.html
2.Have the following info ready: your NCRS Membership Number; your ZIP Code (or Postal Code for outside the U.S.); Model year and VIN of the Corvette; and your Visa/MasterCard/PayPal info for payment.
3.Make quality color copies of the factory paperwork. Send the COPIES to Roy Sinor, NCRS National Judging Chairman. Please DO NOT send any originals!
4.NCRS will return confirmation that your paperwork does or does not agree with the information in GM’s records."

[Dan P.]

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It appears there are varying interpretations and expectations about what this service physically provides the purchaser.

To my point; a picture is worth a thousand words.

[Michael D.]

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...Can "the powers that be" responsible for the Delivery Data Docs program post an image or scanned example of the docs provided under this program?...

It's car shipper information; not much to write home about. It is supposed to be original dealer name, dealer code, and production date.

[Paul L.]

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Still waiting for a sample pic....

[William C.]

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Very Interesting!!

[Keith L.]

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I think what has been hinted at on another site is that they have the option info but are not making it public. If they don't what are they going to verify on the paperwork verification? And if all they have is report of cars shipped for a week or month with vins and dealer info why not fuzzy the info and post a sample?
I'm not saying they do but a lot of grey area in what has been said officially.
JMHO

[Kenneth B.]

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Still waiting for a sample pic....

Everyone needs to read the first thread! This is the NATB data which only showes where the Corvette was being shipped too from the factory. NOTHING MORE. I have had 2 Corvettes checked years ago & trust me thatis all you get.
KEN

[Scott S.]

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My take is two services were announced:

The shipping history data base simply says VIN XXXX was produced on date X for dealer Y. There's nothing to confirm the configuration of the car because that information wasn't needed. At the time of shipment both GM and the dealer had separate paperwork documenting how VIN XXXX was configured.

The document verification service is based on YOU supplying the document of interest and NCRS rendering a best efforts opinion as to its authenticity.

Hi Jack,

I have the tank sticker from my '67, but the dealer and zone info is (so far) not readable. It sounds like the first service would fill in those blanks, and tell me exactly when and where my car was originally delivered.

The second service may or may not be helpful, I'm not sure. My tank sticker is in bad shape, but the top portion is legible enough to decipher all of the major options, except for “Tires”. What is missing almost completely is the "Comfort & Convenience" section (lower left-hand side of Order Copy).

If I send in a copy of my Tank Sticker, will they be able to not only verify what I already can read myself (color, engine, transmission, posi-tract axel, 4 season air cond, am/fm radio, etc.) but ALSO tell me:

A) what kind of tires the car was delivered with, in the upper section of the tank sticker

B) what the lower half of the tank sticker said in the "Comfort & Con." section (e.g., wheels, tinted windows, power steering, power windows, etc.)?

If so, then I would certainly be interested in BOTH services. If the second service (document verification) will only verify what's already legible on my tank sticker, then it seems only the first service would be helpful.

Is my understanding here correct?

[Ralph S.]

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I have the Anchor Motor Freight shipping slips for 2 1969 corvettes that i bought new. I sent copies to Terry M. to post for all to see.

[Tracy C.]

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Scott, I doubt that they can fill in the missing information, but they can tell you if what is left of your tank sticker is real or not.

tc

[Scott S.]

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Scott, I doubt that they can fill in the missing information, but they can tell you if what is left of your tank sticker is real or not.

tc

Hi Tracy,

If that is the case, then it sounds like the first service (dealer code, dealer name & delivery date* info based on VIN) is based on recently discovered actual GM data, while the second service consists of a knowledgeable expert rendering an official opinion of authenticity regarding documents you already have.

In my case, the car was purchased in 1976, it has been in the family ever since, and the tank sticker was removed about a year ago. I don't think there is any reason to suspect anyone was altering tank stickers back in 1976, and the options on the car all match what the tank sticker says, so I'm confident the tank sticker is authentic. Even so, it might still be worthwhile to have an official opinion rendered by an NCRS judge or judges, if that opinion is supplied in writing with some kind of official documentation regarding the authenticity of the tank sticker (and/or other documents).

However, the NCRS website explanation under "Corvette Document Validation Service" says (in part):
4. NCRS will return confirmation that your paperwork does or does not agree with the information in GM’s records.

How can anyone confirm whether your tank sticker or other document agrees "with the the information in GM's records" unless they are able to access "GM's records" in order to compare them? That doesn't sound like an "official opinion of authenticity" service, it sounds like a cross-reference check between your documents and GM's documents, to see if they match.

And if GM's records are being accessed, it seems unlikely that GM's records are missing the same information, in the same places, as I am missing on my Tank Sticker. In which case, I'd be really grateful if they would fill in any blanks.

The way it has been explained (worded) so far, something doesn't seem to add up quite right. I'm just trying to understand exactly what is being offered here, in which situations it might be helpful, and why.


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*Edit: It appears that we would learn the "exact date of production", not the delivery date... "3. NCRS will return the shipping information pertaining to that Corvette VIN which will include: the Chevrolet Dealer Code for the delivering dealer, the Chevrolet Dealer Name, and the exact date of production for your Corvette." - NCRS "GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data" webpage
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[Ronald L.]

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Roy,
Can you please explain what is being provided in option #1 and option #2?

Option #1 sounds like known NICB data that does not necessarily have to originate from GM. Which is it? And "IF" it is we just have to wait, I am sure some of us are adult enough to wait.

Second option - is is verification against GM records or is it NCRS judges opinions? Does it fill in the one option missing, tire type? on a tank sticker that is partially legible?

Cost and value aside, these statements on what NCRS paying members are going to get - really should be clear.

The leadership owes it to the membership to be upfront about this entire event.

[Chris E.]

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A question about service #2. Will those opinions on factory paperwork be kept on file for that VIN similar to the judging awards for that VIN?