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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43193

    #16
    Re: Differences between 621-444-697 housings

    Tom-----

    Yes, I was aware of the difference between the '444' and the '621' bellhousings that you described. As far as I can tell, it's the only difference. I've also speculated before, as you've done, that the change was made to accomodate some chassis requirement. Certainly not a Corvette requirement, but, possibly, Chevy II or Camaro.

    I was not aware of the difference between the '621' and the '497'. I'll check this feature out since I have NOS examples of both the '621' and '497' castings [none for sale]. That is a feature that I don't think that I checked before, since I was mainly concentrating on external differences. I'd guess that sort of a change was done in order to remedy a cracking problem at that location with the '621' casting. I wasn't aware of suce a problem, but I'm sure that GM wouldn't have made such a change unless there was such a problem.

    The 409 bellhousing that you refer to was used for 1964 Chevrolets with 409 and early 1965 Chevrolets with 409. It MAY also have been used on later 1965 Chevrolets with 396. I'd forgotten about that one. It's a "full-round" aluminum bellhousing, but it's a SAND CASTING, like 60-62 Corvette and other Chevrolet aluminum bellhousings, and not the permanent mold or die casting like the later aluminum bellhousings. It was GM #3843941 (cast 3843942) and, later, GM #3866982. Both of these are quite rare pieces, indeed.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43193

      #17
      Re: Differences between 621-444-697 housings

      Tom-----

      I've checked out the differences between the 3899621 bellousing CASTING and the 464697 bellhousing CASTING. You are absolutely correct; the difference is the boss for the clutch fork ball stud. After studying the boss, here's what I think is the situation here:

      The GM #464697 CASTING is designed to be used for BOTH the 3899621 FINISHED bellhousing AND the 464697 bellhousing. The boss is designed so that it can be drilled and tapped in one of TWO locations. When drilled and tapped on the UPPER portion of the boss, the finished bellhousing is the 3899621. When drilled and tapped on the LOWER portion of the the boss, the bellhousing becomes a GM #464697. The 464697 was, primarily, a truck bellhousing. I don't even know of any passenger car applications for it, although there may have been some.

      Wouldn't this situation with numbers create a lot of confusion? You bet it would and I'll bet that many folks who purchased a used 464697 bellhousing for a car application ended up with headaches that they couldn't figure out if the 464697 they bought was for a truck application. There's NOTHING on the bellhousing to indicate this, either. I have an NOS 3899621 bellhousing which has the 464697 casting number on it. But, since it's NOS, it still has the GM parts tag with the 3899621 number on it. Used bellhousings don't have this convenience.

      I have another NOS GM #3899621 bellhousing which has both the 3899621 casting number AND the 3899621 parts label. That one's obviously easy to ID.

      Some PRODUCTION Corvette bellhousings used during the mid to late 70s also had the 464697 casting numbers on them. But, these were GM #3899621 FINISHED bellhousings.

      So my advice to everyone is this: when purchasing a bellhousing for a 14" flywheel application, you can get a bargain if you purchase a used 464697 if you don't care about "numbers". Just make sure that its clutch fork ball stud is drilled and tapped in the UPPER portion of the boss. I'll bet that the majority of 464697 bellhousings "out there" are drilled and tapped in the LOWER part of the boss, though.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Tom P.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 1, 1980
        • 1814

        #18
        Re: Differences between 621-444-697 housings

        Joe,
        I have a 697 housing in my 70 Chevelle conv. The ball stud is in the upper portion of the boss. Works great. Never a problem (it originally had a 153 tooth flywheel/small housing/3sp behind a 307). I changed the engine, flywheel/housing/Muncie/12bolt rear about 5yrs ago. Much better ride now.
        By the way, if you take CHEVY RUMBLE magazine, it was featured in the Sep 03 issue.

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 43193

          #19
          Re: Differences between 621-444-697 housings

          Tom----

          With the ball stud tapping in the upper part of the boss, you have a GM PART #3899621. So, it should work perfectly.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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