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  • Gregg Plapas

    BC/CC Paint Judging

    I have heard that the flight judging guidelines have been relaxed to include BC/CC paint, due to obvious reasons. Is this true? And if it is, can someone give me the low down on what it say's, allow's etc...?

    Thanks
    Gregg
  • Gregg Plapas

    #2
    Re: BC/CC Paint Judging

    Well, I guess it just AIN'T true.

    thanks
    Gregg

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    • Dick C.
      Past NCRS President
      • November 1, 1995
      • 450

      #3
      Re: BC/CC Paint Judging

      Send an e-mail to: Roy Sinor rsinor@sbcglobal.net
      Dick Capello
      New England Chapter/Mid Atlantic Chapter
      Past NCRS President
      Past Region 1 Director

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      • Michael W.
        Expired
        • April 1, 1997
        • 4290

        #4
        Re: BC/CC Paint Judging

        It's never been excluded. If it appears just like an original laquer paint on the judging floor, then why would there be a deduct?

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        • Michael W.
          Expired
          • April 1, 1997
          • 4290

          #5
          Hey Dick!

          Might want to check in over at the VH site. There's some questions waiting for you.

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          • Robert W.
            Frequent User
            • March 1, 1977
            • 81

            #6

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            • Gregg Plapas

              #7
              Re: BC/CC Paint Judging

              No bone of contention here. I just wanted to know if it had changed from my current understanding of the rules. And, it has not. Thanks for the help.

              Gregg

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              • G B.
                Expired
                • December 1, 1974
                • 1407

                #8
                Proud, are ye?

                You're just proud of the grief (and expense) you accepted in order to have real lacquer on your car. That's probably why you don't have any sympathy for those trying to Top Flight with their urethane, powder coating, zinc plating, and stainless exhaust.

                In about ten years, when all other mid-years have been over-restored and your car is the only one out on the field in lacquer, all the urethane guys will take over the NCRS and change the rules. Maybe you'll be sorry you used lacquer then. But I don't think so.

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                • Ric N.
                  Expired
                  • March 1, 1982
                  • 28

                  #9
                  Re: Proud, are ye?

                  I was in Orlando, my car is painted with laquer and received a full deduct because the jams and hood rails were not dull enough. The car next to me was BC/CC the jams and rails were duller and he got no deduction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • G B.
                    Expired
                    • December 1, 1974
                    • 1407

                    #10
                    Clarification?

                    Ric -

                    Are you saying that you left your jambs and drip gutters in untouched automotive lacquer (in other words, just as it dried), and that this finish was as shiny as the exterior polished panels? Or, are you saying that the normally dull painted areas of your car somehow got spiffed up a little too much after drying to be acceptable?

                    I guess I've never seen automotive lacquer dry with TOO much of a shine right out of the gun in the jambs and gutters.

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                    • Ric N.
                      Expired
                      • March 1, 1982
                      • 28

                      #11
                      Re: Clarification?

                      Jerry, I polished the gutters and jams, I also used several coats of liquid glass. I prefer them the way they are, I just couldn't believe that an admitted full BC/CC job got no deduct at all.

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                      • Robert W.
                        Frequent User
                        • March 1, 1977
                        • 81

                        #12
                        Re: Proud, are ye?

                        I believe my wife calls me stupid, not proud. But she does follow it up with "dear". The more I mess with old cars, the more "You're stupid, dear" I hear. The trouble I have with it is I am starting to see her side of it. Ever tried to tell a woman buying jewelry is stupid?

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                        • Robert W.
                          Frequent User
                          • March 1, 1977
                          • 81

                          #13
                          Re: Clarification?

                          Rick - If you went to that trouble I can see why the judges would not believe it to be lacquer. If you like it that way accept the point deduction and go about your business. If it is lacquer and you want all the points compound the areas with very light compound and you will be back at no deduct unless the body has been block sanded and compounded smooth as glass and then several coats of Liquid Glass placed on it you are back at square one for over restoration. You still had orange peel and blemishes in original paint and that is what we judge against. As for the BC/CC getting no deduct that is just plain wrong. The judges were told if known to be BC/CC and made to look like lacquer only take 50% for originality and judge on condition. Some of the mid years were beautiful cars but definitely over restored on paint and a lot of BC/CC examples. On the judging field they really stand out against a factory paint job. Factory paints were not for the shiny folks even back then. With a lot of compounding and polishing you can make them slick but over restored!

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                          • John M.
                            Expired
                            • January 1, 1999
                            • 1553

                            #14
                            Re: Proud, are ye?

                            Rick,
                            I can not believe you took a full deduct for lacquer paint regardless of how slick it was! You should have protested this ruling. If you were willing to pull up some paint with a little polishing, the worst you should have taken was a partial deduct for condition. I always took a few points for lacquer being a little too slick on my 60, but that was my decision and I lived with that decision. This did not stop me from getting a Dontov on the car. My opinion is to use Lacquer on a judged car as long as you can still get it(which is probably for many years)!
                            It just boils down to playing the game by the rules as we know them going in. If we are going to play the game then we can't complain when the rules are enforced. If a restorer is skilled enough to slip urethane past a judge who thinks that it looks like original lacquer, then I say more power to him, but he can't complain if he gets dinged for it. I have seen some really good single-stage urethane jobs that I could not tell from lacquer, but I am not that skilled, so I will stick with the old tried-and-true lacquer that I have been using for 35 years. I will protest a ruling if I think it is in error, but I have never complained when I get caught trying to put one over on the judges.
                            I can be a real pain in the ass to my team leader on technical issues when I think I am in the right, but have never argued a subjective issue like paint gloss or appearance.

                            Regards, John McGraw

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                            • Steve Westphal

                              #15
                              Re: BC/CC Paint Judging

                              The best imitation I have seen is BC/CC with the clear coat flattened a bit. You probably won't fool the judges, but, it does look like the old lacquer while giving you the toughness of BC/CC.

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