The Engine Mount Bracket Behind The Water Pump "C1

[James Waswick]

Re: "very small"?

Thank you John, for your comments. Also Thank you Jack, for the much sought after answer to my question. As Jack has said, the answer amounts to a 2 point decision which is next to nothing when 4500 points are at stake. The bracket has been a question on my mind for a long time, every since I owned the car. It was carfully attached behind the water pump with all correct fasteners nicely done including the ground strap. The black paint on the bracket shows evidence of dipping and wasn't sprayed on. There is no problem taking the bracket off and painting it Chevy orange if need be done. What Corvette enthusiasts made into a nightmare ended up being a very minor situation. I want to thank everyone for their time and comments. This is how we all learn. Jim.

[James Waswick]

Re: "very small"?

Thank you John, for your comments. Also Thank you Jack, for the much sought after answer to my question. As Jack has said, the answer amounts to a 2 point decision which is next to nothing when 4500 points are at stake. The bracket has been a question on my mind for a long time, every since I owned the car. It was carfully attached behind the water pump with all correct fasteners nicely done including the ground strap. The black paint on the bracket shows evidence of dipping and wasn't sprayed on. There is no problem taking the bracket off and painting it Chevy orange if need be done. What Corvette enthusiasts made into a nightmare ended up being a very minor situation. I want to thank everyone for their time and comments. This is how we all learn. Jim.

[Mike Cobine]

JMHO

Jim,
Since it is a small deduction, I would leave it this way for two reasons:
First, it is the easiest.
Second, if it is original, then painting it destroys the history associated with this difference in production.

Too many cars are changed to fit the Judging Guide because people have no real knowledge that the part was actually produced that way or because they are convinced by others their unusual item is wrong.

For example, if your car is #3418 and it has the black mount, if you paint it all evidence will be gone for future reference. Say at Carlisle #3432 shows up and claims an original untouched engine with a black mount. Then in January #3391 shows up for Bow Tie and has an untouched black mount. That would indicate there is validity to these not being painted always.

But if someone paints it, there is no way to check. Wouldn't you hate it if #3417 and #3419 had black but painted theirs orange?

As to getting documentation, I have always thought that is an unfair way to deal with the situation. A very small percentage of people have any access to the documentation on deviations or contact with people who built the cars. Even if you have contact, the chances of getting them to write that from S/N 3373 to 3495 they painted the engines without the mount is on a par of winning your state's lottery second prize.

I think NCRS should stress that while points are deducted because it deviates from the norm, the item shouldn't be changed. After all, NCRS is supposed to be about PRESERVATION, restoration, and HISTORY of the Chevrolet Corvette.

Currently, many seem to think only the Bow Tie cars offer light on original practices, but there are many cars that while one area was touched, other areas are still original. They don't qualify for Bow Tie, but that untouched area should be preserved for study as much as a Bow Tie car is.

If you know the cosmetic restoration didn't touch the engine, then stick with it the way it is.

And check with the original owner to see if there are any pictures that happen to show the engine when new.

[Mike Cobine]

JMHO

Jim,
Since it is a small deduction, I would leave it this way for two reasons:
First, it is the easiest.
Second, if it is original, then painting it destroys the history associated with this difference in production.

Too many cars are changed to fit the Judging Guide because people have no real knowledge that the part was actually produced that way or because they are convinced by others their unusual item is wrong.

For example, if your car is #3418 and it has the black mount, if you paint it all evidence will be gone for future reference. Say at Carlisle #3432 shows up and claims an original untouched engine with a black mount. Then in January #3391 shows up for Bow Tie and has an untouched black mount. That would indicate there is validity to these not being painted always.

But if someone paints it, there is no way to check. Wouldn't you hate it if #3417 and #3419 had black but painted theirs orange?

As to getting documentation, I have always thought that is an unfair way to deal with the situation. A very small percentage of people have any access to the documentation on deviations or contact with people who built the cars. Even if you have contact, the chances of getting them to write that from S/N 3373 to 3495 they painted the engines without the mount is on a par of winning your state's lottery second prize.

I think NCRS should stress that while points are deducted because it deviates from the norm, the item shouldn't be changed. After all, NCRS is supposed to be about PRESERVATION, restoration, and HISTORY of the Chevrolet Corvette.

Currently, many seem to think only the Bow Tie cars offer light on original practices, but there are many cars that while one area was touched, other areas are still original. They don't qualify for Bow Tie, but that untouched area should be preserved for study as much as a Bow Tie car is.

If you know the cosmetic restoration didn't touch the engine, then stick with it the way it is.

And check with the original owner to see if there are any pictures that happen to show the engine when new.

[Clem Z.]

could someone with a orignal orange

engine mount check to see if there is black paint underneath as this would prove that they were dipped black before they were painted the engine color. JMHO

[Clem Z.]

could someone with a orignal orange

engine mount check to see if there is black paint underneath as this would prove that they were dipped black before they were painted the engine color. JMHO

[John M.]

They were. *NM*

[John M.]

They were. *NM*