Anyone Noticed 1953 #72 is for Sale

[mike mccagh]

Re: Electronic Driveline - make a business case

gary ahs hit the nail on its head. those wanting Driveline online need to make a presentation to the board. get signatures from members in agreement. i'll sign up. mike

[Andrew Strauss]

Re: Electronic Driveline - make a business case

If you had to be a member to even access the site[I am refering to a fictional cars/parts section of this site]I would think that membership would increase.Someone looking for a quality part or car may decide to join to help in his search.Needless to say this would be new revenue,revenue that is going to E-Bay now along with most of our parts and cars.
The driveline was an effective tool years gone by.In reality by the time I get mine[in Houston]everything I need is sold.I like looking threw the magazine as much as anybody,but as far as a tool is concerned it is in effective.I am one of those guys who reads this board more than post.I check it everyday,so I am sure there are more out there that do the same.About the only time I post is on this subject.It boggles why a great organization with so many smart,well educated people still does bussiness like this.If this were your private bussiness would you conduct yourself in this manner?Not if you want to be successful.To do that you must change with the times>

Andrew

[Rob Dame]

Re: It's a shame...

The ads that go online could be held up to 10 days or so after The Driveline is mailed out just as Hemmings does. Rob

[Mark #28455]

Re: It's a shame...

why? if it were not held up it would "encourage" them to step up into the 1990's, and besides, not everyone gets the paper "first".
Mark

[Patrick T.]

Re: Electronic Driveline - make a business case

As I mentioned above, the NCRS Board is not being fair and equitable to all it's members so long as some members currently get their Driveline publication in the mail, weeks ahead of other members. It's time to fix this problem in a timely fashion.......i.e weeks, instead of months or years.

It don't believe we will resolve this situation in our lifetime with business cases to the Board of Directors, taking votes, signature requests, etc. It's unrealistic, with too much red tape. The NCRS has too many layers of management to penetrate. I've learned from experience that Corporate Management works in strange ways.

If a top ranking lieutenant in the NCRS doesn't personally take this matter to the President (no doubt one of them is watching this thread now) and cut to the chase, nothing will happen. I've seen it happen too many times here.

Maybe in the coming new year one brave person at the top management level here will step forward and tell us this organization is going to move forward..... forget the committees and Board of Director meetings.....can't the top brass make a simple decision?

Everyone have a Happy New Year!
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Gentlemen, y'al make great points about moving into the 21st century and I agree with you. However, as Mike points out the NCRS Board of Directors wants to be fair and equitable to all of its members. Many of which are members only to receive the printed publications.

Best approach would be to make a business case with all of the pros and cons and present it to the NCRS Board of Directors at the annual BOD meeting in March or the one after the Nationals in August. Winning business cases and presentations work well with the NCRS Board of Directors as I know from past experiences.

[Jack U.]

Updating the online software? Maybe it's time

Maybe this is just more ammunition for a business case....

You have to look at this from the perspective of the members who are or will be sellar's also. Evevtually it will come back to hurt the NCRS if the organization doesn't change with the times. These sellers are going to go to other sites to get the most exposure.

Why do you think the current owner of #72 chose to post on another forum? If those in a position of leadership are concerned, they need to address the issues mentioned here. A concern/question should be where are new members coming from?

I don't mean to offend anyone but my personal feeling is that those that don't use the Internet are at a distinct disadvantage when they need to buy or sell. Unless they change, they will be left behind. That's what the schools are teaching students at all levels. You are never too old to learn. Those in the NCRS are no different. The world is changing folks.... NCRS needs to change with it.

There should be a way to equitably treat online and offline members now with a plan to move to modern communication technology. I'm willing to bet that eventually the offline members will be in the minority.

Changing the online software is not going to solve the issue for the offline users. HOWEVER, it will mostlikely improve the situation greatly for the online users. Maybe we won't have the issues like one with the online owner of #72.

Has anyone thought of starting an online petition? The change/mindset has to start at the top. Somehow the leaders need to know how the online users feel.

Business cases are fine if you have the time to put together one together. I would be willing to help but I just don't have time right now to start one.

[Gerard F.]

How about starting an NCRS-bay?

For Corvettes and Corvette parts, in addition to Driveline. Advantage would be that you could screen out the phonies and make them represent the cars as they are, and also make a few bucks for NCRS. We could even start an NCRS-pal to handle the payments.

Just a thought.

Jerry Fuccillo
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[Bob M.]

Re: Updating the online software? Maybe it's time

I am not sure when most of you recieve your Driveline but for example the Nov-Dec issue I recieved on Dec 10th. This is pretty normal with all issues.
I for one would love to see the classified section on-line. Might give me a chance to purchase some parts. Most are gone by the time I call.

Bob

[Mike L.]

Re: Anyone Noticed 1953 #72 is for Sale

I have seen this car in person, and it is one of the nicesed 53 Corvette's in the world. The auto body shop and the peolpe who restored it, are very capable and qualified to do a great first class job.

[Marc R.]

Re: Anyone Noticed 1953 #72 is for Sale

By the time I receive my "Driveline" most of the contents are ancient history. It's pretty worthless to me.

[Dave H.]

Re: It's a shame...

I'm sure that no one treats the Driveline as their primary source when buying and selling in the internet age. A great publication and a first class reference document, yes, but not the first place to go for immediate results. A deadline of Oct. 1 for an issue that arrives on December 10... you mean I have to wait over two months before I can get a response to my ad. I can post on another board or list on eBay and get instant gratification.

Perhaps we need two boards: 1 - a technical board (like this one, although quite frankly it appears that this board is "everything goes EXCEPT buying and selling"), and 2 - a buy/sell board.

Technically, this shouldn't be difficult, the software framework is already in place. The argument that this would be unfair to those offline is fast becoming irrelevant... probably 75% of members are on-line and the number is growing every day. Also, anyone seriously looking for stuff or trying to sell stuff already IS on-line. Can you imagine trying to track down parts strictly by telephone and letters through published ads in the Driveline or Hemmings?

Dave

[Tracy C.]

[Andrew Strauss]

Re: Ok boy and girls.. I've seen this argument

Maybe we should advertise in the driveline the the pros of doingf all the things mentioned in this thread.Wait a minute!the issue will be solved by the time most get it.But seriously,a page describing the the upside to doing the online swap meet type page with a place to vote on the subject,wether it is a link or convintional mail,would move this along.I would bet you could convince alot of old timers to go along with it,heck they seem to be using Ebay just fine.What if we made a link from this page over to a page in wich we could all vote on the subject,run an ad in the driveline diredting all memebers to vote,so it would be a fair cross section of the members-then we get Jeb Bush to do the counting.

Andrew

[Curtis L.]

Re:Not with my hanging chad *NM*

[mike mccagh]

Re: Ok boy and girls.. I've seen this argument

i began to count the # of NCRS members who are posters on this forum.got about 1/4 way down the first column (about 400 members) . got bored and didn't finish the compulation. Can the modrator give us a # of posters on this forum? might help awaken the board as to what % of members are on-line.Don't think that the board is as concerned with potential loss of Driveline revenue as they are in keeping the playing field level. if the % of online members exceeds 50%, we may have a valid argument for the board to reconsider an online Driveline.. i frankly didn't think the # would exceed 500 but i was obviously way off. mike