Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled...

**William C.** · January 23, 2006, 08:37 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

No, there ar no ORIGINAL 62 Delco Remy Regulators without part number and date.

**Joe L.** · January 23, 2006, 09:48 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

Rob------

I disagree. I don't think that it is fair to bidders for sellers to end auctions early. Plus, I think that it's absolutely foolish for sellers to do this, anyway.

What often happens is that some impetuous buyer e-mails the seller and offers a certain price if the seller will end the auction early and sell to him/her at a certain price. Foolish sellers will sometimes do this. What they forget is that the buyer will go AT LEAST as much as he's offered them on a bid basis. So, they've "got" the buyer at the offered price, anyway (regardless of what the buyer SAYS that his intentions are). Plus, there may well be more buyers out there willing to pay more. In this age of last minute bidding, the seller doesn't really know what something is going to bring until the last minute of the auction.

I think that it's VERY UNFAIR for sellers to end auction early because someone e-mails them and tries to negotiate a "side deal". I have NEVER asked a seller to end an auction early and I NEVER will. If the seller has a price that he would be satisfied with, then he should use "Buy It Now". If he wants to have a REAL auction, then let it go until the end of the auction.

**George W.** · January 24, 2006, 08:59 AM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

I don't know Joe, it's very difficult to find good parts at a reasonable price on e bay (or anywhere else for that matter). About a year ago there was an e bay listing comprised of a pair of '65 206 heads and a pair of 301/302 exhaust manifolds starting at $500.00. I e mailed the seller asking what he wanted for these items and he replied $1,000.00 plus shipping. I offered him $850.00 for the exhaust manifolds as I did not want the heads nor the shipping expense for them. He acccepted. He was happy, I was happy; is this wrong, unfair, or just good "horse trading"? George

**Terry D.** · January 24, 2006, 10:06 AM

"WRONG" Just my 2 cents *NM*

**Charles P.** · January 24, 2006, 11:26 AM

Capitalism at its best

No offense but there is no guarantee that if a bidder were willing to go to a certain price say $850 that anyone else would want them even half as badly. So those manifolds might end up selling knocked down for $400 for lack of a competing bid. Then again maybe not. A seller or vendor would be nuts then to turn down a FAT legit direct $850 sale. Most people know what there parts are worth though or know what they have in them. It's the old "bird in the hand" platitude, take a good deal when you can. A good deal is one that is good for the seller and the buyer. Also a buyer knows what he will give and doesn't want to lose the part to a bottom feeder or shill. Yes there are shills on ebay.
With that said naturally it's a knuckle buster to be the person who was watching the auction that got pulled because it was sold elsewhere but that's life. In an almost majority of the car auctions listed on ebay the seller has the car listed elsewhere and "reserves the right" to sell early. I see no difference. Lastly, ebay has a "buy it now" listing option which makes many auctions not even true auctions at all. You coud be bidding and lose the part anyway there.

I remember a thread about Driveline classified ad parts being sold by the time you get your issue. I haven't got my issue yet so how am I on an even footing with everyone else who has? Ebay for better or worse has become the trading animal that NCRS cannot or will not be for parts online. My 5 cents...see outbid again.

**Mark Milner** · January 24, 2006, 02:23 PM

Wrong

While you feel you got a good deal, it is against eBay rules. Both you and the seller could get booted, although unfortunately, I doubt eBay does anything more than that, if even that today.

Essentially, the seller is stealing. He listed with eBay and then circumvented the fees. eBay will do more than just boot him, they will bill him.

My personal feeling is this - you put it up for auction, carry it out, or your word is worthless. I hate people who start a deal and then back out. Both buyer and seller have agreed to certain terms in using eBay and both of you violated those.

Now how could I trust you or him in any future dealings? Is it worth losing your trust over?

**Mike E.** · January 24, 2006, 03:42 PM

Re: Wrong

I loved the rolling C1 frame that was on ebay and pulled before the auction ended. Reason given? "this item was either lost or broken."

**Joe L.** · January 24, 2006, 04:01 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

George------

My feeling is that an auction is an auction. There is enough about eBay auctions, as it is, that "disqualifies" them as being true auctions without throwing in the additional factor of ending an auction early. Stores are stores, swap meets are swap meets, and auctions are auctions (or should be).

As I say, if there is a price that the seller would be satisfied with, then he should use "Buy It Now". That let's all potential bidders know that there is a price that will end the auction. If they fail to "Buy It Now", then they know that they will lose the item if someone else exercises that option. Otherwise, I feel that buyers have a right to expect that the auction will be an auction and will be "bidable" right up to the last second. "Side deals" have no place, at all, in the auction process.

**Kevin M.** · January 24, 2006, 04:21 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

Wait a minute, tell that to all the BJ cars that were bought by the consignors (plus 16%) 'cuz they didn't bring what they expected - there were lots of those. ALL auctions have there scams. Shill bidders go back to the Romans, ebay is just the latest game in town.

Kevin

**Joe L.** · January 24, 2006, 04:42 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

Kevin------

That's an entirely different thing. The owner of a car has every right to bid against others for his own car if the car is worth more to him than others are willing to pay. The auction commission "keeps them honest". In this sort of deal, the owner is just bidding against other bidders. Presumably, he's not going to bid the car up beyond what it's worth to him. If he's the final bidder, then he's going to get "stuck" with the car + the commission due.

The equivalent of the "end the auction early" on eBay would be if the bidding began at B-J, continued for awhile, and then the auctioneer stopped the auction and said the car was no longer for sale because it had been sold in a side deal. Or, if the auction proceeded to some point where the bidding stopped and the auctioneer announced that the car was no longer for sale because it had been sold in a side deal. I don't think that you'd see many auctioneers go for something like that. Very quickly, they'd find that there were no intelligent and qualified bidders willing to participate in their auctions,

**Charles P.** · January 24, 2006, 05:04 PM

Not so fast my friend

This is from Ebay and I quote, "If you cannot complete your listing as planned, you can end your listing before the scheduled date. If there are bids on your item, you can cancel them. Reasons for ending listings early include: The item is no longer available for sale."
When you end a listing early you are still responsible for listing and insertion fees. So this is neither "against the rules" as written NOR is it "stealing". I have never listed a part for sale on ebay but have purchased many. As an aside I was at a swap meet recently. I asked a vendor if he ever had a certain part I needed. By coincidence he had the exact part I was looking for listed on ebay. I told him what price I would be a buyer at and he ended the auction early and the part was mine. This is an accepted ebay business practice. Contacting a buyer or seller via ebay to solicit an outside sale is against the rules. I doubt anyone reports this much though. The conversation would sound silly. "Hello ebay, someone wants to give me twenty bucks for my $5 air cleaner". If anything it makes the seller reexamine their business model I would think.

**Kevin M.** · January 24, 2006, 05:24 PM

Re: Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled.

Joe,

But isn't calling it a no reserve auction disingenuous then? if the high bidder can bid on his own car to avoid the sale? Do the sellers bid and run up the price trying to get to their number, isn't that shilling? I guess if both players know the rules it's a push,.

Kevin

**Bill Lynch** · January 24, 2006, 07:10 PM

Re: Capitalism at its best

"Also a buyer knows what he will give and doesn't want to lose the part to a bottom feeder or shill."

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I don't understand the bottom feeder comment.

I understand someone trying to get the seller to end the auction early because they are afraid they'll lose out in the auction, but then doesn't that make THEM the bottom feeder?

How could losing to a higher bid be losing to a bottom feeder?

**Jack H.** · January 24, 2006, 07:47 PM

I agree with Joe, but...

the week before last I put my 30 yd line, row 20, Denver AFC Championship tickets up on eBay starting the auction at face value. They quickly bid to $500 the pair and stopped escalating.

I had two 'vultures' send me Ask Buyer A Question messages, one offering $2000 for the tickets, the other $2800 if I'd end the auction early and sell to them. Well, true to my ethics, I told both to bid as I don't end auctions early unless there's something terribly awry.

Soooo, the tix bid to $1200 and the auction closed a few days before the game. The next morning, the winning bidder (a guy with 100% rating and approx 150 transactions under his belt), told me to take a hike. He'd bought tix elsewhere and didn't need the tix from me that he'd bid on....

What're you gonna do? This is a time sensitive 'perishible' commodity. You gonna go to Texas from Colorado (the high bidder was from Texas) and sue in civil court for damages?

Fortunately, I got lucky. I relisted them on a 1-day auction with a Buy It Now price of $1200 and a REALLY NICE couple from Montana snapped 'em up inside a few hours!

But, for a full day I was kicking myself for not being the 'bad guy' and shutting the auction down early for those who'd approached me off-eBay with their come on offers....

Recent '62 part Ebay auctions that got pulled...

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