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  • Philip C.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • December 1, 1984
    • 1117

    Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

    Is it possible to top flight a car with a replacement trim or vin tag or both Thanks Phil 8063
  • Roy S.
    Past National Judging Chairman
    • July 31, 1979
    • 1022

    #2

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    • Ken Edmunds

      #3
      Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

      The car must have the correct attached, Chevrolet factory Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) plate, or attached valid state-approved replacement ID plate which matches title and/or registration.
      Roy, I have a car with a repro vin tag that was approved by the head of the Department of Motor Vehicles of the State of Florida. In conversation with you last year you said my car would not be judged because of it. If it is approved by the state, why not? If the wording of the judging manual stated "state issued" I could understand it not being judged. I have a lot of supporting documentation that reinforces my vin number, including the frame confidential numbers. You told me that the reason NCRS won't judge a repro vin tag is "because we are trying to prevent auto theft" I don't think that is the responsibility of NCRS. Perhaps NCRS should reconsider their edict.
      Ken Edmunds Member#1020

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      • lyndon sharpton

        #4
        Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

        I dont understand why the GM one is not rated so high?

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        • Roy S.
          Past National Judging Chairman
          • July 31, 1979
          • 1022

          #5

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          • Roy S.
            Past National Judging Chairman
            • July 31, 1979
            • 1022

            #6
            Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

            I'm not sure I understand the question we do not rate Trim Tags. they are either original or they are not.




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            • Tom R.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • June 30, 1993
              • 4081

              #7
              Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

              Damn...glad Roy answered that one!
              Tom Russo

              78 SA NCRS 5 Star Bowtie
              78 Pace Car L82 M21
              00 MY/TR/Conv

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              • Ken Edmunds

                #8
                Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                Preventing auto theft was the reason you gave. I was surprised and said so at the time. Re: reproduction vin tag approved by the state You also told me that "that would not fly in Oklahoma? because the DMV people there are trained to spot repro tags". Either way, if one can provide concrete prove of the vin number of his car as I can, what is the harm in judging the car with a repro tag? I am not trying to make my car worth more money, just trying to enjoy the sport I have been involved in for 30 years. How do I prove the tag I have was approved by the state? Is my file on the car and all the police reports and legal documents enough? Or am I going to be embarassed at a show after having spent thousands of dollars to get there? Can I provide the info I have before hand to save the time and money?

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                • Roy S.
                  Past National Judging Chairman
                  • July 31, 1979
                  • 1022

                  #9
                  Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                  Sure send me copies of what you have, also send them to the national team leader. We certainly can try to accomodate any situation, but the burden of proof is your responsibility. Has the florida DMV been told it is a reproduction VIN plate? Did you provide proof to them before it was tilted? Or as I mentioned earlier did they title it not knowing it was a reproduction? I assume there was some sort of documentation for Florida if they signed off on it.

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                  • Ken Edmunds

                    #10
                    Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                    Roy, thank you for your time and consideration. I will send the info with an explanation of events.
                    Ken Edmunds

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                    • Verle R.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • March 1, 1989
                      • 1163

                      #11
                      Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                      Lyndon,

                      The basic judging criteria is:

                      "Cars are to be judged to the standard of appearance, and as equipped, at the time and point of final assembly by the Chevrolet Motor Division....."

                      therefore the expectation of the original GM VIN and trim tags.

                      Verle

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                      • Collin MacDonald

                        #12
                        Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                        Talk about a timely political issue. You can almost draw a comparision to what is going on with the immigration issue... It is either legal or illegal...it is either original on not original... What is so hard to understand with either? JMHO is no gray here in either worlds. Doesn't illegal mean not leagal, and doesnt replacement mean nor the original? Unless, in either case, you have documentation.... to make it legal... Sorry I work for US Customs and Border Protection...so maybe you understand my comparision..hear it every day...

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                        • Bryan L.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • June 30, 1998
                          • 397

                          #13
                          Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                          I'm glad I have a Goodwood Green car. There's no doubt about a GG trim tag being legit. Who would ever fake a green car.

                          BL

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                          • Mike E.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • February 28, 1975
                            • 5134

                            #14
                            Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                            The same guy that would restamp a block as a base-motor car!

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                            • Jack W.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • August 31, 2000
                              • 358

                              #15
                              Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag

                              "Is it possible to top flight a car with a replacement trim or vin tag or both"

                              That's a good question - same one came to my mind while reading the latest Restorer, wherein a car (C2) was being discussed and mention of it having lost its original trim tag was made, about a sentence or two away from the fact that it recently top flighted. I know the NCRS has really raised the bar on Trim Tags in the last few years given the recent Trim Tag reference book, so I was a bit mystified by this, as the trim tag on the subject car had to have been a repro (can't TF without a trim tag). hmm.
                              65 MM Convertible, L76 (365 hp)

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