Lacquer & stamp pads; Philosophy 101 (again)

[Dale Pearman]

Re: I agree, keep restoring the vin pads & paint j

That was done with the restoration of 003. Amgwert et.al., got the "ivory" paint chip from climate controlled GM vaults and Kirsh had it computer color matched! I judged that car at Scottsdale and it's a beauty!

Varooom


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[Ed Jennings]

Value of original engine

I keep seeing references to OM cars being worth 50-100% more than NOM cars in the same condition. I have a real hard time buying that. Some of the special engine cars, like L88's perhaps, but a run of the mill engine, small or BB, can be purchased with correct dates and numbers, professionally done, for about $2000. If you don't believe that, check out the ads in Hemmings, Corvette Trader, etc. That is about all the premium I would attach to an OM car vs a NOM car if everything else were equal.

[George Daina]

Edward, u Da man.....

after I posted my piece, driving to the job site, it dawned that I had omitted my comment regarding price of the car w/original motor vs restamped block.

[Jerry Clark]

How about

the mega dollar restorations, 550SSks, Duseys and Benzes, in this situation there is seldom an alternative, they have to manufacturer the parts from scratch. Docent seem to effect the value all that much.

jer

[Ed Jennings]

Re: Edward, u Da man.....

Well George, I'm glad at least one person agrees with me. That is probably a minority opinion on this board. It's not necessarily a minority opinion among Corvette owners in general though. For my own purposes, if it looks original-that's good enough. I believe OM cars ought to be kept that way if at all practical, but a lot of early cars lost their original engines long before NCRS came along. An engine is no more or less of a "wear item" than brake shoes, paint jobs, or carpets. It may or may not outlast other components. I saw a car in a magazine a couple of years ago which had won all sorts of certifications, had matching numbers etc. BUT, EVERY SINGLE OUTER BODY PANEL HAD BEEN REPLACED. Now tell me how original that car was. I guess it was ok, since fenders and doors lack serial numbers.

[Lou Lapham]

Re:Sorry Terry as an 20+yr active machinist

Terry-As a twenty+ year machinist i see that mills,drills,broachs or other cutting tools do cut differently as they go through their life cycle.The witness marks do vary from the first cut to the last before sharpening.A few years ago a friend of mine fooled the NCRS's best by faking broach marks based on the pattern left by somewhat worn broachs.These broachs were created by cycling on iron until they left the desired pattern depth and width.When he tried using freshly sharpened broachs the pattern were not consistent with the samples assembled at approx.the same time of year.Lou

[Dave - NCRS#24235]

GM paint chips on loan and lacquer

Yes, but will GM pass that chip around to all the judging meets? I stood on the judging field at Lake Placid and noticed color variations in almost every pair of cars of same color and same model year - some were quite different.

Additionally, I don't own a paint shop. My Chevy dealer does GREAT paint work - better than the "teacher" of bodywork at Bloomington Gold (who also painted my car - badly). My thoughts on epa lacquer paint problems are based on remarks by a California NCRS member who owns a body shop. In Joplin, on the way to the Collinsville meet, he allowed that he was having trouble hiding lacquer work from the inspectors - it may be the equipment he uses or the disposal of the residue that is restricted - but he stated that it was no longer possible for his shop to legally lacquer a car. Any thoughts?

[Dave - NCRS#24235]

Edward for NCRS president, u Da man Ed.....

I agree. - Dave

[Michael S.]

Re: Edward, u Da man.....

Ed,

I could not agree more. I drive a 65 coupe every day, rain or shine. The car has the original engine and a no hit body. As far as I'm concerned, my car has more value in fact that it has a no hit original body than an original engine. $2000 will by me all the stamped 327's I need should I ever need one however that will not begin to cover the cost of a correct replacement (non #'s matching)front end.

Have a great Corvette driving day!!!

Mike STrinich 11202

[Bryan L.]

Re: I agree, keep restoring the vin pads & paint j

It appears that restoring the vin pads is pretty common now. A lot of you guys have had it done, know about it being done, or even witnessed it being done. My question is how do I find someone to restamp my block. I'm not a bottom feeder that is turning a 300 horse SB into a 435 horse BB and hoping to make a big profit off of someone. I am just taking an old BB car that was rode hard and put up wet and lovingly restoring it. I have seen some ads in Hemmings from an outfit in CA, but I would like to find someone in Texas so I won't have to spend a small fortune shipping it to and fro.

I know that this is a volatile subject and that a response to this board in a public manner might not be appropriate. I would appreciate it if someone with this knowledge would e-mail me privately so I can get it done. The frame's done, time for the engine!

Thanks for any help.

Bryan

[Patrick H.]

Re: How about

Jerry,

Part of it with the Antique/Vintage guys is that generally there was only one type of engine installed, and value is not based on that. In our world of Corvettes, the engine makes the machine, so that is what we focus on and where we often set our value, especially in two otherwise identical machines. I would anticipate that with late C3's and after (other than ZR-1's) this will not take on the same significance given the sameness in the powertrains.

It is interesting to note that modern paints can be used in antique/vintage concours (per my friends who have had cars at Pebble Beach, etc.) with no loss of originality-type points, and they can get a 100% score. Maybe we will finally evolve in that direction too; I suspect we will.

Patrick Hulst

[Dale Pearman]

Re: Edward, u Da man.....

I thought you drove a FORD Shelby GT-350 every day! Moving up eh what!

Regards,

Varooom!


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[Ed Jennings]

Re: Edward, u Da man.....

I drive a Ford every work day. The company bought it, puts gas in it, maintains it, etc. When I get home, I have to decide which vintage Vette to drive to the grocery store.

[Dale Pearman]

Re: GROCERY GETTER?

How come the company dosen't provide groceries and deliver them to you?

Varooom!

[Ed Jennings]

Re: GROCERY GETTER?

Dale, I could probably work something out in that respect, but then I would have to come up with some other errand to run so I could get one of the old Vettes out to play with. Besides, it's fun to watch all the bag boys at the grocery store gather around looking at the car inatead of collecting shopping carts and helping little old ladies.