C3 1970 Dash bracket

[Jim K.]

Getting started on the reassembly of the simple carpet and seat job that went too far. I have dyed the black dash blue, dyed the old blue lower dash to the new blue, got the carpet in and the fiber-optics for the rear all set, got one seat done and the other started, freshened up the thac and speedo and new bulbs in everything. Remaining is the new door panels, consoles and 1/4 panels. as well as painting (dying) the steering colunm in place. On the left lower dash under the speedo is the attached bracket that had a togle switch bubba must have put in, because the hole is elongated. It looks like a courtesy light goes in there as well. I thought the courtesy lights were on the kick panels. Does this bracket really belong there? What else mounts in the other holes?
Thanks!!!
Jim

[Michael M.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

On my '72, that bracket holds the courtesy lamp and the odometer reset assembly

Should be similar on a '70 I suspect.

[Jim T.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

On my original owner 70 Jim the courtsey light does go in the largest hole. Looking at the backet as pictured the speedometer's odometer reset cable mounts in the hole on the left and a L shaped brace bracket is attached and nothing goes in the elongated hole.

[Terry M.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

On my early 1970 the courtesy lamp brackets attach to the kick panel. I think this depends on whether one has an early or later 1970, though. I can't remember what else goes into the other holes, but the big one is empty on mine. We will probably have to get into when in 1970 MY the cars were built to work this one out. Mine is late January.

[Jim K.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

Hi Mike:
My trip resetter mounts to a seperate bracket that holds the headlight and wiper door by-passes pulls. This other bracket mounts to the underside of the steering column cover (I think, it's not in front of me) also, is there a courtesy lamp on each of the two kick panels in addition to this one?
Thanks!

[Jim K.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

Mine is early January. Do you have the bracket for the vacuum doors? if so is your odometer trip reset there too?

[Terry M.]

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I would have to look to be sure, but I believe the vacuum over-rides and the trip reset go to the same bracket.

[Chuck S.]

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That is my recollection, and mine is a LATE 70.

[Chuck S.]

But...I've Been Wrong Before...

The AIM shows the trip odometer reset cable in the aforementioned courtesy light bracket. I remembered the trip reset being in the center position of the manual wiper/headlight door switch bracket...actually the AIM says that's the windshield wiper door control assembly switch.

[Terry M.]

[Chuck S.]

Re: But...I've Been Wrong Before...

"The trip reset is under the speedometer -- to the left of the three switches."

So is that courtesy light bracket. Look at Jim's picture in the first post...You can see the cut-out for the steering column to the left of the courtesy light bracket. The cross over bracket with the manual headlight/wiper door controls is missing. The trip odometer cable goes in the first hole on the end of the courtesy light bracket shown in Jim's photo. (AIM, UPC 12, page B3).

[Roberto L.]

Re: C3 1970 Dash bracket

My early feb car has lamps in both kick panels, not in the dash hole. There is an electrical switch between the pull down vac switches for windshield wiper on off.

Roberto, NCRS #30019, RMC

[Roberto L.]

and...

the trip odometer goes in the other bracket, where is the unused hole... left of the central vac switches, as other commented.

[Jim K.]

Re: But...I've Been Wrong Before...

Wow! Thanks for all the responses, and to Chuck, you always remind me to go to the AIM, which for some reason, I never remember to do BEFORE asking a question (maybe because I'm always asking from work). I've gone through the AIM at least a dozzen times, page by page, I should have it memorized by now! Maybe there is something to be uncovered if I look at late 69's??? Also, looking at these posts I seem to be missing the wiper control swithc. I thought mine were controled by a slide switch up at the top of the center console. What does this lower switch look like and what is it's function? Does it make sense to have three courtesy lights (two kick panels and this one)?
I hope I get to meet you guys at Carlisle or the National in Boston!!! Thanks for all the input, and if you get thoes pictures, Terry, you can e-mail them to me and I can post for you if you want... jkennedy@gilbaneco.com
Jim

[Chuck S.]

Re: But...I've Been Wrong Before...

"Also, looking at these posts I seem to be missing the wiper control swithc. I thought mine were controled by a slide switch up at the top of the center console. What does this lower switch look like and what is it's function?"

On the chance that you have M. F. Dobbins' Fact Book of the 1968-1972 Stingray, fourth edition, there is a photo of all the discussed controls on an early 69 shown on page 116. The wiper switch is the center of the three controls directly beneath the steering column, and has a large flat headed chrome knob. I had forgotten about this switch until Terry's post prompted me to do a little research.

As Roberto says, it's a simple on/off switch for the wipers, and I speculate that it's provided in case the vacuum portion of the slide switch failed preventing the door or the motor from operating. Note they provide a manual bypass to get the door open, but they still had to provide a direct electrical switch to turn on the wiper motor. Providing redundancy for an essential function makes you think GM engineers were well aware of the potential demons in the vacuum controls long before owners had the pleasure of discovery.

"Does it make sense to have three courtesy lights (two kick panels and this one)?"

I have gone through my 70 AIM two or three times trying to find a LH kick panel courtesy light reference for my late 70 (70 AIM copies are likely to be the final 70 version)...I can find nothing on another courtesy light on the kick panel. Roberto's post makes me wonder if this changed during the 70 model year, or I'm just overlooking the AIM page that shows another courtesy light on the kick panel. Roberto comments didn't indicate having a courtesy light in the bracket where the odometer reset cable end is located, but it seems strange to provide a reflector hood on the end of that bracket without a courtesy light (see your picture; has the dash pad been changed?). Simularity of your late 69 with an early 70 is more likely than a late 70.