sb to bb

[Chuck S.]

Warning: Not Fit To Be Read By ANYONE

Jerry,

Where I come from, flatulence is considered unbecoming to a lady.

Anyway, it was the un-"Green" blast from ole' Sumo's exhaust pipe that got him, er, her suspended from the game for more than a decade. Had to be reincarnated as a "hick-up truck". Truthfully, it dang near killed off the ballerina too.

Varooomm, where are you? We need some help here with Jerry and these BB pirates.

Chuck Sangerhausen

[Patrick T.]

This Is OK To Read...

I have a small block, and don't really care, but this round sounds like a "mine is bigger than yours" thread. However, as Hot Rod Magazine has always stated, "there is no substitute for cubic inches". Patrick

[Chuck S.]

Size Is Only Important WHEN...

You are comparing Volkswagen 1500cc flat air blowers and Chevy V8s, Patrick.

My son is a VW-phile (I know, I know, I was a BAD parent). When I go over to visit him, he keeps trying to show me these VW Hot Rod magazines, showing me how these innovative wrench heads have doubled their horsepower...Big freakin' deal, all that cash and you got a screaming 100hp!!! I don't get it, I tell him; if you want performance, start with a Chevy small-block, the most popular, most flexible, kick-butt engine of ALL TIME (whew, getting my blood pressure up here).

Besides, I admit it, Jerry's is bigger than mine; I'm just sayin' "quality is better than quantity".

[Patrick T.]

Re: Size Is Only Important WHEN...

Chuck, sorry if you misunderstood my post, I was only following the thread and was not targeting you personally. I was just making a statement about owning a 67,327-350 HP roadster. After all, it's not how much you got, but how you use it. The Hod Rod magazine theory was also an observation of what they print. Patrick

[Chuck S.]

Re: Size Is Only Important WHEN...

Patrick,

Don't be apologizing; I thought you were continuing the repartee (Looks like Jerry has departed the field, shaking his head). If I speak ill of big blocks, it's just because I'm jealous I don't own one.

It's not Friday yet, but I hope we are all grinning here.

Chuck Sangerhausen

[grr]

Re: sb to bb, FAR OUT.

I think you have a good idea if your if the SB isn't performing up to your expectations. I agree with the members about these HiPo SB otc. I can appreciate your want for speed.It's your call.

In 1977 I had a stock 76 L-82 auto. Quick but no cigar. I immediately put on a set of slant plug heads and headers to get back some compression. I kept spending more and more and ended up wasting a lot of bread for a 12 second street machine with 4.46 gears.

I felt like you, SB to BB.?????????????........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$ So I Sold the built up 350 and I bought an LS-6 454. Dropped it in the after rebuilding/machine work etc., installed a "real" 4000 stall racing converter. Mid 11's first pass. Second pass I learned the leason of BB torque. I came out of the hole at about 3000 rpm instead 2000 and had no wheel spin. Well no wheel spin and lots of U"joints and the stock suspension= goodnight "UJs" take your choice. This was with wrinkle walls for shoes& headers same gears.

So this leads back to your question.You probably would be better off with the newer SB's even from chevy than a big block.I Have to say that LS-6 was fun on the street with the addition of the reverse shifting turbo 400.grr#33570

[grr]

Re: Mouse Motors Forever!! Bill is RT.

Bill you said it for me. Read my post. I never mentioned the engines reliability. I beat the hell out of that 76 w/LS-6. It was for the street and strip. I grew up in the mid-60's and we built up cars for street and fun at the strip and with the intent to take home the trophys.(we did).

But mostly to have fun. I have had like you very-very fast and just great SBs, But at the end of the day no matter how fast I ran I still had a small block.

In high school I new then bigger is better. Having the Edge is what's it's all about. You put in a great post and tell Warren said Hi.grr.#33570

[grr]

Re: This Is OK To Read...

Pat, you got it. Nicely put and honorable to all SB owners. You sure you didn't go to high school with me or the Point, just comparing logic, which would you rather use to crush a bug, a BB or your shoe.

This "SB to BB" tread is interesting and nice to see how members feel plus find out what other members are running.I'm sure your SB runs good after all it is a chevy.grr.#33570

[Jerry Clark]

I'm BACK

With a final question that might help to put the Big Block / Small Block issue in a different light.

If you all had your choice and cost was not a factor, car for car would you rather have a BB or SB. Consider any comparable example, 67 base motor BB vs Base motor SB. 65, 375 vs 396, LT1 vs ZL1, ( I know, that's cheating ) LT1 vs L89 might be more acceptable. Which will be faster, more valuable be honest...Sumo 1 Ballerina 0.

jer

[Chuck S.]

COST NOT A FACTOR ????

Jer,

Cost not a factor???? Well, shoot, Jerry, in that case it's easy; just let me have one of each!!!! I would drive the big blocks in the wintertime, and drive the small blocks in the summertime. Hee, Hee

Chuck Sangerhausen

[Jerry Clark]

How DO You Spell Dodge ?

Chuck:

You wouldn't have side stepped the question, would you ? besides I warned you about stuff like "flatulence" .

jer

[Big Block George]

HAIL TO THE KING BIG BLOCK.........

maybe, and a big maybe, a well tuned mouse can eat up a semi-tuned 427/390, but a well tuned 435HP? NEVAH, NEVAH IN A MILLION YEARS.

Maybe we should line up a bunch of ZZ4 conversions and run them off against one or two 427/435's? As the saying goes, "WHEN THE GREEN FLAG DROPS, THE BULL**** STOPS".

Bring 'em on, all the measly teeny weeny meeces.

Jer, y'old coot, I'm with ya.

BTW, if you price out all the brackets, used, you will be surprised, it ain't that expensive.

Front coils: if they're original equipment, then they are saging, and need replacement, cost differnece is a wash.

Radiator, you can get a BB radiator from Auto Zone or Pep Boys for around 220.00.

Headers: if you're gonna build up a ZZ4, you need headers, same with BB, cost difference? A wash.

Clutch? Once you pull the tranny, regardless if changing BB or ZZ4, new clutch assembly is going in, cost difference? A wash.

You will use the same drive shaft, half shafts, and instead of using u joints, buy the caps, used.

Crate ZZ4 vs. Crate 454 or 502? Price difference negligeable.

Most expensive piece: BB Hood.

You can get USED front and rear sway bars, used, from any vette bone yard, for chump change.

As Electric Light Orchestra so aptly put: "Hold On Tight To Your Dreams".

[Dale Pearman]

Re: sb to bb

I once had a dump truck with a big block. That's a fine application for this engine. If ya can't do it with a small block it ain't worth doin!

Varooom!

P.S. Do Corvettes with BB tend to tumble end-over-end due to the weight?

[Big Block George]

Mikey, Mikey......

the 427/435 twists 6500-7000 all day long, all day long. Valve spring pressure, m'boy, valve spring pressure keeps the valves from floating at 7K. Ain't no problems twistin' the daylights, no problem at all.

[Dale Pearman]

VAROOOM IS HERE

I was screwing around in Boston. Now I'm back. You bb guys are NUTS! You talk of drag race motors. Why not go all the way with a jet powered rocket assisted Corvette?

I built and throughly enjoyed a 410 inch all aluminum Donovan small block in my 62 driver. The light weight was the major advantage. My Corvette handled like a dream! With the Doug Nash xmission I was able to rip out motor mounts and radius rod brackets. Earl Gertie dyno tested this engine at 638 hp and 535 lb-ft of torque. I NEVER lost a race in this machine and ate-up big blocks galore. After 125,000 miles of street use I'm going back to a slightly massaged 327 mouse. That's all thats needed on the street. Why shoot rabbits with a howitzer?

Varooom!