i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 2007

[John D.]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

I was actually surprised a few years ago to find out that you did not have to be a member of NCRS to post on this DB. When I found that out I started looking at profiles and did see some people that were or are non members.

I don't think it is asking too much of an individual to pay up in today's world. I mean after all most of us are senior citizens that by this stage of our long life can at least afford the $35.00.
That misely sum doesn't go far today. Yesterday I went to Sheetz and put $50.00 worth of fuel in my GMC and the gas gauge only showed 1/2 full. Went to dinner tonight with a friend and that was $40.00 plus tips. No cocktails either.
SO I am missing the point some say. It's not the money it's the principal. Well to that I say it's only good business. Running a club is running a business. Just today I found out that our Pittsburgh Chapter is going to invest in a new web site. It's not cheap. This DB cost money to run.
No I will have to say I am in favor of the new rule. Not kissing up cause I don't have to. Not my style. On the other hand if there are individuals out there that are down and out and can't afford to pay up then I say that some of us would be more than happy to help them out.
But if an individual has the means and just decides he or she doesn't want to pay because they don't think it is just then I for one say won't fly.
If you wanna play you gotta pay. That's it. I've been paying for almost 30 years now. I would be lost without you guys and girls. Need you all as friends. Don't mind paying and would pay a whole lot more.
I wonder who many Corvettes and other expensive toys are sitting in various garages of people who don't want to pay. While I am in the mood let me say that what has always rubbed me the wrong way is that in my own chapter there are individuals that constantly bitch because we charge this for a picnic or we charge that for a function. Now these individuals aren't poor. Most of our members have more than one Corvette.
So you have my opinion. Pay up and enjoy life. After all most of us are getting SS checks now. How much time do we have left? John DeGregory #2855.

[Larry B. Seaney]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

I for one am one of those members that ask questions but, don't have the knowledge to post answers. I am always reading posts of the more knowledgeable members like Clem and am appreciative of all who take the time to share their knowledge.

The posts on this board help us owners keep the cars "correct" in function and appearance. Isn't that one of the goals that the NCRS. To help preserve these great cars? Even if a nonmember asked one question, got the "correct" answer and applied that information to help improve his car great. That is one less item on his car that did not get Bubbaized.

I was bothered a great deal after the last group of people were sent to the woodshed for what some thought was bad behavior. I agonized for many months as to if I should renew my membership or not when my it expired Aug. 17th. I just mailed my renewal in last Saturday. Did I make a mistake?

Sad, sad indeed. To limit the spread of knowledge and information. Wherther it is a question or an answer by a nonmember. Someone's corvette somewhere has benefited.

Oh, yes the tech. question part of this post. How do I fix the color/paint on my Marlboro Maroon 67? A past judging sheet indicated it is too rich.

Larry
#32736

[Michael S.]

Another DUMB decision by Old, Dead and Dying Group

Management should go look in the mirror. There grey hair will qualify them for the dead and dying in the very near future like all the rest of the participants on this board.

In case nobody has looked lately at Corvette buyers and enthusiasts, the future of Corvette buyers 10 years down the road is pretty bleak. The odds are great that MANY of the participants on this board and MANY NCRS members will be DEAD in 10 years of less. Given that observation, lets LIMIT the access to the technical information to a group of dead and dying individuals who already know that they need to know so they can take their knowledge with them to the grave!

The new Corvette buyer and the vintage Corvette buyer has one thing in common, both are FAT, 50+ years in age AND blue haired! Not a successful receipe for an performance car in general AND a Vintage Corvette restoration oriented club/society in general. Limiting access to this site is like shutting down the local school. After a short period of time the Corvette and most certainly NCRS will become IRRELEVENT without the interest of new and younger members!

Congratulations NCRS on a well developed business plan that will most certainly accomplish your goal of killing the NCRS in particular AND the Corvette hobby in general!

[Allan J. Wicklund]

Re: Another DUMB decision by Old, Dead and Dying G

The "Board" has clearly made a poor decision as to non member posting. It must be about the money? In my earlier post I said , "It's about the people who love these cars as much as the cars!". What's the gain in excluding someone for whatever reason they aren't a member? None. I say leave things alone. Hey Ma, look at what I did!, doesn't cut it around here. Al W.

[Barbara S.]

Clem. No offense intended, but

Clem. No offense intended, but why don't you just pay the thirty or so bucks and not worry about being removed from this board as a non-member? Don't you get at least $30 worth of benefit out of the discussion board? I do. Seems like a bargain to me.

JMHO.
Tony

[Roy B.]

Re: Clem's statment is right

{dispensing info and after i retired i did it for free BUT i do not want to pay to do it.}

That's the point , if I was a non-member of NCRS and found this sight/ asking me to pay in order to give information I would move on.
What's next ?
I got it!!! NCRS should now charge members for suppling articles to the restorer /like judging , parking ,or better yet charge members for putting on work shops that help members restore their Corvette ! We should charge people that help people because every one knows Corvette guys are rich!
Lets see a show of hands=

[Robert Willis]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

Well I guess I'm guilty of not joining NCRS. But for me there are no events in the area to make it worth while. My posts were just to help someone if I could. Even though I wasn't a member, NCRS still used my 57 on their 56-57 CD cover and didn't ask.

It's been fun.

Bob




Bob's Chevy Corner

[Norris W.]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

Well, here I go against the majority, AGAIN. I can't see it as an issue of "paying to give advice", but rather encouraging membership. Maybe a free trial period of access to the board would be a good compromise for newbies.

Frankly, I can't imagine being a REAL Corvette enthusiast and NOT wanting to be a member of NCRS. The organization has done so much for the hobby over the years, it's hard to imagine that anyone would be aware of it and not want to be a part. I've been a member since the 70's, with a few lapses here and there when it's expired. (I think the NCRS needs to do better with renewals)

I've had my ups and downs with judges that didn't know squat over the years and thought they new it all, (which I understand is for all practical purposes fixed now) but overall have to give the organization an A+ for contribution to the hobby.

Clem, your presence would be GREATLY missed, and your contributions are appreciated by everybody. Send in the dues, get a shirt, a hat, and a tag for the front of the everyday vehicle and proudly fly the flag with the rest of us.

[Norris W.]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

Bob, there's so much more to NCRS than just the events. I've been to 2 Florida regionals since I went to the National Convention in Annaheim in about 1990 or so, and that's been it. (although we've already made reservations for Orlando in '08. Hell, the Driveline and Restorer publications themselves are worth more than the initiation costs.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Another DUMB decision by Old, Dead and Dying G

Hey, Mike!

I'm only 39 and 9/12 so I sure as heck hope I've got more than 10 years left!!!

Then again, with my family history, I'm not holding my breath. That's why saving every penny and ordering a new 2008 for my 40th birthday. My odds of seeing 50 are only 50:50 (pun intended, even if realistic).

Patrick

[Terry F.]

Big FRICKEN mistake to loose Clem! *NM*

[Rick Gower]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

I agree with John, I don't think it is too much to ask for someone who wants to post to be a member of the NCRS. I can't imagine a true corvette purist would not want to be. However, that said, it would not bother me to not require membership to make a post. I would remind everyone that you have a regional representative and if you feel strong either for or against the membership requirement you should contact your representative and express your feelings. Please remember that this organization is run by volunteers. Your input is vital to the continued success of our organization. JMHO Rick Gower # 6398.

[Kevin M.]

Re: i guess i will not be posting after dec 31 200

I've meet more Corvette owners/drivers than I have met NCRS members, Clem being one of them. I figure the only reason to be a member is judging, the board is just instant gratification for restoration and general everything Corvette questions. According to the BOD the internet is insignificant in the scope of all things NCRS, the reason given why there is no online driveline. There are thousands of car clubs that just enjoy there cars and driving them, this site is unique but it won't be missed if it closes it's doors to the public.

Kevin

[Mark #28455]

board is TRYING to kill NCRS - DUH!!!

Lets see, Hmmm!

Board "donates" excess interest from dues to charity but won't set up internet Driveline due to "cost".

Board gets new editor for Restorer who although making a nice glossy magazine now adds multiple NON-Restoration articles (like crate motors, new Corvette promo, etc.).

Board continues PAYING $$$ to mail Driveline even though it arrives so late that many of the "Good" parts are already gone....

Hey, don't you see a pattern?

I still think it's funny that we as a club donate so much to charity yet will cut off our nose to spite our face by not spending on things that would boost membership like an internet classified - go figure.

Mark

[Tom R.]

Re: Let's vote!

I would be curious to know how many board members that voted on that visit the tech board. Let's vote them off the island and vote Clem on.

an option could be that tech board regulars get to cast a vote as well. We know better than most the contributions of non-members.

I recognize quite well its a membership organization and most membership org make some accommodation for non-members in order to retain their interest. What accommodation has our board to retain the interest of non-board members?

Than again...NCRS is the best value for an automotive org at $35 a year...if its used.