COLOR CHANGE QUESTION........

[Marc N.]

Good morning to all....whanted to ask your opinions. How much ($$$) does a color change affect the price of a midyear?

[John H.]

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To a buyer who wants it the correct color, by the amount necessary to re-paint the car.

[Roy B.]

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or replace the trim tag with a repro like some do!

[Tom S.]

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I would say about 7-10k.That is what half way decent paint job will cost you.I just had one looked at by a bodyman friend. The differance in the prices are because he doesn't know what he might find after he gets started. Tom

[John S.]

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Tom,

The going rate for a good paint job is more like $15-20K, or higher, depending on where you live.

[Tom S.]

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I haven't heard of any that high here.But this is still small town America so to speak.Like I said I have a friend that has his own small shop, maybe he is giving me a deal?But 15-20k seems a little ridiculous! Tom

[Phil P.]

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tom ,yes 15 to 20k sounds high but,this is what i got for 15k---pre-inspection after the body was removed---paint removed to glass---3 small areas of glass work---bond seams cleaned and reworked to ones desire---doors hood conv deck fitted 3 times---choice of laq,bc/cc---body left to out-gass for 6 months prior to prime---all body lines sharpened up---this work is/was done in a 1 man shop that does vets only---30 + years of vet painting and knows every curve and dip in a vet body---i've seen and own one of his 15 year old paint jobs and they look like the day he finished---of course he lives in big town america and needs $$$---phil

[Tom S.]

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For a body off job of that quality I don't think 15k is bad.When I said 7-10k I was refering to a body on good quality paint job. Tom

[Norris W.]

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I thought the current crop of replacement trim tags were easily detectable???

Wouldn't a car with a detectable repopped trim tag be worth less than an original in the wrong color?

[Dick W.]

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You can always repaint a wrong color car correctly, but if the original trim tag is gone, the value has taken a significant hit.

[Dennis H.]

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"body left to out-gass for 6 months prior to prime"

For the life of me I don't understand why this is a requirement other than to turn a normal paint job into a 1 year turn around. Did GM out-gas these bodies before painting?

[Jack H.]

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"Did GM out-gas these bodies before painting?"

Nope! But, their objective was to 'make it' through a 12-month/12000 mile warranty period vs. build a Mona Lisa. AND, they ate a LOT of post production warranty claims on fit/finish....

[John H.]

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In the St. Louis Paint Shop, the body was baked for 60 minutes at 280*F after first prime, baked again after sealer and first color, baked again for 30 minutes at 140*F after final color, and final-baked again for 45 minutes at 250*F. That's how the solvents were driven off - forced outgassing.

[Verne Frantz]

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John,
Do you know if that process was only used at the "fiberglass" plant or if it was also used at the "steel" plants?
Verne

[John H.]

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Verne -

The "steel car" process was similar, although the bake temperatures were higher. First prime bake was 30 minutes at 390*F, primer-surfacer was baked for 45 minutes at 285*F, first color oven was 10 minutes at 200*F to "set" it for wet-sanding, and the final reflow bake was 30 minutes at 325*F.