Barrett-Jackson ??

[Wayne P.]

Other than publicity, what is NCRS getting out of this Barrett-Jackson deal? Not sure this is all good. Your thoughts.

[Martin N.]

Re: Barrett-Jackson ??

I think the publicity will be a good thing. Anytime a person will investigate an issue,an item,a story that tells me that we've peeked their interest. The more interest, the more comments (good or bad) and the more feedback we get as a group.Lets open our doors to other automotive enthusists. Don't be affraid....Marty

[Tracy C.]

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Wayne,

What deal?

I haven't seen anything directly making the NCRS a bedpartner with BJ. Are you talking about the recent post regarding flight judging history for a given VIN?

Apart from providing the owner's name at the time of judging, I really don't have an issue with this. In fact, I see it as a great way to thwart the bogus claims made by dishonest sellers out there. If people can counterfit a BB 67, it ain't no trick to counterfit the Top Flight blue ribbon to go along with the car.

If I were a potential buyer of an aledged, "Top Flight" car, a $300 investment to get the real skinny might worth it. Of course on the flip side, an award given to a car yesterday, last year or a decade ago doesn't mean the car has all the required components for a repeat tommorrow.

As far as a discounted charge for members go, how long do you think it will take for people to figure out all they need to do is join up first before asking for the documentation?

The NCRS should give the owners an option to keep their names out of the information package, but the rest is fair game in my opinion.

tc

[Wayne P.]

Re: Barrett-Jackson ??

Tracy,
Read the intro on this website!
Wayne

[Patrick H.]

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There's still no reference to Barrett-Jackson or any other auction service.
I think you're reading into this "service" too specifically.

Patrick

[Jim D.]

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Read "Barrett-Jackson/NCRS Press Release" at the top of the NCRS opening page.

[Joe C.]

I Took My Post Down

I am not happy with this alliance, at all. My post, strongly reflecting this, appeared at 9:57 AM on 10/22/07. I removed it at 10:52 AM 10/22/07.
I was not prompted to do so, in any way. This Discussion Board is not the proper place to debate this issue.
I apologize to those 45 lurkers who saw it. I do not retract it.

[Chris L.]

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I go to BJ every year and I see a lot of the same cars going thru year to year. Some pretty amazing Corvettes that all have some documented claim to fame as it seems. I can just see the NCRS booth now being swamped with questions like "is that one a real one"? This is a week long event this year and I pity the folks that are working the booth. It might keep a few of the numerous misrepresentations out of the sale though for fear of getting exposed!

[Patrick H.]

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Ah. Sorry for my error.

I never look at the opening page. My Favorites tab goes right to the Discussion Board.

Interesting.
My next thought is.... do other car clubs do the same?

Patrick

[Kevin M.]

[Terry M.]

It's certifying that the car is NCRS correct. NOT

I don't read that it is certifying that the car IS NCRS corect .... or even that it WAS NCRS correct when it was judged. All it is saying is that on a given date, at a Chapter, Regional, or National the car received this or that award.

So when the auctioneer says the car achieved a second flight the bidders will know if it is true or not and what kind of meet it was at. They may also know if the car was green with a saddle interior when judged. Again bidders will know how to conduct themselves if the car is red/red at the sale.

Now as to whether that information is worth $300 ... that is another question.

[Roy B.]

Re: $300!

Is this a service and booth provided by NCRS at all Auctions so buyers can determine a Corvettes status??

[Norris W.]

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I don't think it's a really big deal, but I can't believe that anything good for the hobby or the NCRS will come out of it except for maybe some TV exposure. First of all, I think the whole BJ hype is a disaster for the collector car hobby. It's not only responsible for taking really nice cars out of the hands of car guys, and putting them in the hands of people who don't know a camshaft from a crankshaft, but just see $$$$$$ signs, but also making people with very mediocre cars have really ridiculous ideas of what they're worth, just as damaging for the hobbyist.

I wonder if the expectations of the people paying the $300 will be realistic. If they realize, that as somebody else pointed out, that all they're getting is the assurance that a car received a given award on a given date, then maybe, but I'm guessing a lot of people will expect that for 300 bucks they're getting authentication of a legitimate set of options. As an example, I'm aware of a '67 L88 convertible that was Top Flighted at a Regional, despite howls of protest from a couple of people claiming firsthand knowledge, alledging that it was a converted small block, which to my knowledge the owner never denied. There's also a '66 425 horse coupe that pops up at shows & cruises around Ga., that wasn't a SHP factory car UNLESS one of my telltales doesn't hold for '66's as it does for '67's. The point is for 300 bucks a potential buyer is getting an opinion that the car is nice, and that in the case of restored cars, it's restored as IT COULD HAVE BEEN from the factory, NOT necessarily as how it came.

[Jack W.]

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I personally believe that MANY non-members see the NCRS as somehow providing certification of originality. The fact that the NCRS judges "apears as it did at time of delivery" is lost on most, as well as the [subtle] truth that many have restamped their replacement engines in order to make it appear as original, and if it does appear as original, you have a TF awarded to a restamped engine, perhaps now being sold as an original engine car for Big $$ by some subsequent owner.

Had the NCRS simply exempted stamp pads from judging review this wouldn't be such a mess. But it is what it is, and as others have pointed out, the NCRS papers will certainly be used by some to answer the "is it an original 427/435 car?" question, at their peril.

Good luck with that. I smell legal liability exposure. I also am unsure if those who competed in flight judging agreed at that time that the NCRS could make [actually, sell] their information to the public (although I LOVE publicly-available information myself).

[Loren L.]

Four items relating to B-J; one question

1. Someone had better take the "disclaimer" on the back of our current awards, print it in BOLD TYPE on the front of the paper that is being processed for this "Award Confirmation", make the applicant sign seperately that he/she has read and understands the disclaimer and releases NCRS from any liability for divulging this information from the past.
2. Contact the Financial Officer and tell him to make sure that there is at least $500,000.00 available earmarked for "Defense Litigation". And you might want to check in with whoever provides officer/Board member liability coverage.
3. Can anyone else already hear Craig Jackson saying "Well, it's not OUR fault that the car was under water for six weeks after Katrina. NCRS said it was a good car....."?
4. I note that the Goodings auction has announced that they are coming to Scottsdale Jan 14-20; we already have RM, Russo Steele, Silver and who knows how many more? As a matter of public service, I would imagine NCRS will provide this service for all ........ but even if we don't all the interested party has to do is leave RM, go to B-J and find our gamboling little elves at the NCRS tent and fill out the form.

The question: where was this idea discussed/born? I can assure my Regional Representative that if she approved this idea, there will be a one vote gap in the next election results.......