1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

[Eric J.]

I am cleaning up the cowl wiring on my 58. We replaced the complete nose 30 years ago. Back then I glued the wiring clips to the inside lip area just like it was on my 62. Now I am correcting my own 'Bubba'ing.

According to the 58 AIM this clip should be riveted. Before I drill the holes for the rivets I want to be sure that's how the 58s were done.

I was going to use the same rivets used for the nose support rod brackets even though the AIM calls out 2 different part numbers. According to the AIM Sect B Sheet 2. the rivet for the 37463404 rod bracket was part number 455624. Section 12 Sheet 2 left side calls out a 9409244 Rivet (see picture)



So is it riveted?
And if so are the two rivets 455624 and 9409244 similar so the current repop rivets for the bracket close enough?

Thanks Eric

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Eric, I'll get you some photos of the originals on my 59 later.

Rich

[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Eric, My '59, as well as a '61 here, both are bonded on, no rivets. AIM appears to be in error. I have 59,61,62 AIMs and all same showing rivets but all cars I've seen never had rivets. Unless '58 does? Will need '58 owners to chime in and check, but I bet theirs are bonded too.

Pics from a '61 below, same on my '59(hood on so can't get in there easily). No rivets. The flat part of the clips lay against the valence(facing the sky) in the adhesive, not against the flange as shown in the AIM. Can't rivet the valence as there'd be big bumps under the paint.

Rich

[Thomas H.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Rich / Eric,

The clip directly mounted under the front valence is bonded - as Rich said, no room for a rivet here.

The clips mounted to the inside flange of the front valence were riveted on my 58. I took one of Rich's pictures and added some text to identify each. It looks like the one mounted to the flange in his picture is riveted also

I can tell you that the ones that held the headlight harness connectors on my 58 were pretty loose and I fully expected them to break off when I was putting the connectors in, but they held.

I no longer have the 58 here to reference and I can not find a good picture of the clips in the gigabytes of pictures I have (isn't that always the way....) so I'm going from memory here so.........

Tom

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[Richard M.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Tom, Here is another of that '61 (barely) showing the riveted center area clips where they attach to the grille opening support bar bracket you mentioned. Those are beveled flat head rivets which hold both the brackets and the harness clips.

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Thank you for the reply's So I did do them right 30 years ago! I have the two "triangle" splice clips riveted to the bracket and the 3 standard clips are bonded. My 62 AIM shows bonding adhesive. Eric

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

This is a picture R T Kruszewski (3408) posted of his 59 last year. It looks like the clips are pointing downward like the 58 AIM shows them only they are bonded. Is it possible the orientation of the clips changed from 59 to 62? Mine are bonded like Richard's with the curve pointed towards the front of the car.

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Looking at Reggie's picture also prompts the question, does the wire harness go above the nose rods or below as shown on his?

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

1962 AIM for reference.

[Bill M.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

My 1960 AIM has a note 4-4-60 changing the rivet to cement "was 9409244 rivet."

However, my '59 clip is bonded to the flange.

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

Bill, thank you.

[Eric J.]

Re: 1958 Cowl Area wiring clip rivet question?

OK, I bonded (not riveted) the clips in the direction shown in the 58 AIM. Anyone know if the wire harness goes above or below the nose rods?