Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

[Dan L.]

I added a date correct power steering component to a previously judged "Top Flight" 1966 L79 (HT) engine. Will that be a point deduct in subsequent judging events - specifically Bloomington Gold?

Thanks

Dan

[Harry S.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Dan, It's sort of like side pipes that are added. You don't deduct for the side pipes you deduct for what is missing or changed because they were added. In terms of the P/S you could receive deductions for pulleys, steering damper, etc. It's hard to say until a judge actually looks at the car. As far as Bloomington, how would they know if they never saw the car before. P/S is a can't tell it was added option.

[Don H.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Dan, Harry,
Pwr Steer is an RPO option, and if it is detected as being non factory RPO, it is a full deduction, as well as all associated modifications made to add it. See NJC column in newest Restorer magazine. An added RPO option is different from an owner, or dealer added accessory which is the scenario you are describing above.

[Gene M.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

If going for flight judging why would one not declare the power steering was added when knowing dam well it was. The object is not to see what you can get away with. In the heart of the hobby it is supposed to be restored as the Corvette was when new. Point loss or not honest declaration s/b the norm.

[Harry S.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Dan, Harry,
Pwr Steer is an RPO option, and if it is detected as being non factory RPO, it is a full deduction, as well as all associated modifications made to add it. See NJC column in newest Restorer magazine. An added RPO option is different from an owner, or dealer added accessory which is the scenario you are describing above.

I find it amazing that we treat different RPO's differently. or, what does a full deduction mean on P/S. Either there is no clarity or no consistency. It's like C60 or Vintage Air being added. Don't you judge what has been changed not what is added?

[Dick W.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Dan, Harry,
Pwr Steer is an RPO option, and if it is detected as being non factory RPO, it is a full deduction, as well as all associated modifications made to add it. See NJC column in newest Restorer magazine. An added RPO option is different from an owner, or dealer added accessory which is the scenario you are describing above.

And the newest deduction for added A/C, they made sure that a car cannot achieve top flight with added A/C. Another attempt to drive members off the judging field

[Don H.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

I think the idea is to treat all added RPO options the same, improve consistency, and maintain the as-factory built standard.
There is a provision for overcoming added-option deductions, ie options added for driving comfort, and that is to drive the car to the meet, and accrue the driving mile bonus points.

[Dan A.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

If going for flight judging why would one not declare the power steering was added when knowing dam well it was. The object is not to see what you can get away with. In the heart of the hobby it is supposed to be restored as the Corvette was when new. Point loss or not honest declaration s/b the norm.

But Gene those who do try to.....well get away with things are not dishonest or heaven forbid a crook. Maybe their just naive? Or are they?

I agree as you know with your premise. But it's only going to happen in our dreams Gene. Only in our dreams.

[Joseph S.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Maybe the car originally came with Power Steering and a previous owner removed it all because it leaked. So Dan just put it all back the way it originally came.

[Harry S.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

I just did some research. As of today it is not a full deduction. The new rules, full deduction, will probably start after the 2018 National. The new rule was discussed and voted upon at the NJC and Team Leader meeting in Florida this past January. I believe that the NJC, Dave Brigham, will discuss this in the next Restorer.

[Dick W.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

But Gene those who do try to.....well get away with things are not dishonest or heaven forbid a crook. Maybe their just naive? Or are they?

I agree as you know with your premise. But it's only going to happen in our dreams Gene. Only in our dreams.

The most fun is knowing what is incorrect and watching the judges pass their opinions.

I Duntoved a car with a bogus casting date on the block, restamp, new frame, all four quarters replaced, and a bunch of other stuff. It is all a game! Real car as shipped from factory, just had a few replacement parts.

Not saying if it was mine or a customers. Trying to protect the innocent.

[Dan L.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Thank you Gentlemen for your thoughts, ideas and opinions. As background I purchased the three time "Top Flight" corvette to safeguard against making an expensive mistake due to my limited knowledge of vintage corvettes at the time. Once I found and purchased the right car my next objective was to preserve the vehicle in its original condition - don't do anything to negatively impact its NCRS status. The power steering was added only for ease of driving and I took care to have have my mechanic (very knowledgeable about NCRS Judging rules) used only date correct/coded parts. To enhance the value and marketability of the car my thought was to seek the Bloomington Gold certification. I certainly do not want to do anything unethical (I did not realize I can declare the addition of a part in my application). Worst case scenario can anyone tell how many points a full deduction would be if I declare the PS was added? That way I can determine if I have enough point margin to pass.

Thank you all!

Dan

[Patrick H.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

If the judges can't detect that power steering was added, then no deduction is taken. This is true in both NCRS and Bloomington judging.
So what's the points deduction? Zero.

You sure don't declare it, and you sure don't open your mouth when having it judged, unless you're trying for a Bowtie Award, which does not seem a probability.
Despite what Gene says above, judging is most definitely a game that one plays, and one must know the rules. Just like in NASCAR, if you can use them to your favor you do so.

[Gene M.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

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I Duntoved a car with a bogus casting date on the block, restamp, new frame, all four quarters replaced, and a bunch of other stuff. It is all a game! Real car as shipped from factory, just had a few replacement parts..........
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Now that is something to be proud of.......... Sad, even with NCRS rules forbid fooling around with castings.

[Gene M.]

Re: Adding Power Steering to a C2 Top Flight Car

Despite what Gene says above, judging is most definitely a game that one plays, and one must know the rules. Just like in NASCAR, if you can use them to your favor you do so.

That’s fine if you gotta have an award you don’t really deserve. It’s not what NCRS is about. Made up cars go in the concourse class, not flight judging. Your only fooling yourself for sure. Maybe others too. But the others may not know the truth but you do.