1969 Map Pocket Variations?

[Paul S.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

... interior color might be another variable.

Good point. I've looked at enough of these over the years to have seen both styles of map pockets used in '69 of the same color (especially black), but the color could definitely impact switch-over date. In other words, it would make sense that the switch-over would be earlier for the more common interior colors (like black) than it would be for more rare colors. (I believe there are some other interior changes that follow this pattern, although I can't recall them off the top of my head.)

[Terry M.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Good point. I've looked at enough of these over the years to have seen both styles of map pockets used in '69 of the same color (especially black), but the color could definitely impact switch-over date. In other words, it would make sense that the switch-over would be earlier for the more common interior colors (like black) than it would be for more rare colors. (I believe there are some other interior changes that follow this pattern, although I can't recall them off the top of my head.)

Paul

The removable hardtop storage bags are one. I believe carpet heel pad changes are another.

Regardless it is another potential variable worth tracking if we are to deem the change in stitching on the storage bag is significant enough to determin.

[Gary B.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Just a follow-up to this thread.
Below is a picture of a October 2nd 1968 built (C02) 1969 map pocket. The thread stops at the first fold.



Below is a picture of an October 16th, 1969 (O16), the thread continues along the whole length.



So, it appears early 69 map pockets started without the stitching. Will have to pay attention to other colors in early 69 and see when the break happened.

Gary Bosselman

[Chris H.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?


Here's the map pocket from my Dec 10, 1968 car.

[Patrick H.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Do either of the black interior cars show in the last posts by Chris and Gary have the peripheral stitching around the pocket area, as Gary shows from Terry's car?

Just looking to verify both variations we are following.

Patrick

[Gary B.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

The short answer is no peripheral stitching. But this sight won't allow for such a short answer, so we must just ramble on and on until people get tired of reading.
Gary B

[Tom D.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

For what it is worth, I have a photo of the blue '69 number 194679S718127. It's taken from the driver's side door, and there is not enough resolution for my eyes to see the stitching on the side of the map pocket. It's got a bright blue interior. Perhaps someone else can see what I cannot. I have no other photos of this interior.

Like Gary, I have to now add some more words... Or Go Advanced.

[Jack M.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Perhaps someone else can see what I cannot.

Sorry, Tom... this was the best I could do with the low resolution file:

[Paul S.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Got my car out of storage today... July 22, 1969 build:

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[Paul S.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Here is one of a friend's June 11th, 1969 built car:



It's a little hard to tell from the photo, but this is the first style with the stitching that does NOT extend past the front of the pocket. My car above has the second style and was built about a month later on July 22nd, 1969, so it seems like the switch-over from the first style to the second may have possibly occurred sometime in late June or July 1969.

Of course, different colors may have switched at different times, so this is far from an exact science. I wouldn't be surprised if black switched over sooner as compared to some other more rare colors...

[Gary B.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Paul, I am going to bump this back to the top. Maybe get a few more replies.

Cincinnati did not have any 69's for judging. Just a real nice 68.

Black seems to run well into October of 68. November shows a black with the extended stitch.

Colors, Saddle, Blue seems to start earlier. June, July time frame.

Gary Bosselman

[Michael L.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Here's a pic of my Sept 69 build saddle interior non AC car.




Mike

[Chris H.]

[Paul S.]

Re: 1969 Map Pocket Variations?

Black seems to run well into October of 68. November shows a black with the extended stitch.

Colors, Saddle, Blue seems to start earlier. June, July time frame.

Gary Bosselman

Gary: I think you are getting your dates a little confused in making these statements. I just went through this thread again, and here is what we have so far (these are all 1969 model year cars):

Oct. 1968 - Black - 1st Style
Oct. 2, 1968 - Black - 1st Syle
Dec. 10, 1968 - Black - 1st Style
June 11, 1969 - Blue - 1st Style
July 22, 1969 - Black - 2nd Style
Sept. 1969 - Saddle - 1st Style
Oct. 16, 1969 - Saddle - 2nd Style
Nov. 1969 - Black - 2nd Style

We certainly do not have enough data to make definitive conclusions, but from what we have here, it appears that different colors likely switched-over from the 1st style to the 2nd style at different times (or else the two styles were mixed for a while for cars built in later 1969). It also appears that black probably switched-over earlier than saddle.


Thanks,
Paul