Change

[Kevin G.]

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Cliffs:

1. The NCRS is a car enthusiast club, voluntarily patronized.

2. The OP's question still has not been entirely addressed or answered. Isn't just a perceived conflict enough to resign from one position? A choice must be made and answered. One or the other.

3. The President Elect, followed the current By Laws as they are written. This election, not being the first time something like this (ambush as being referred to) has occurred, why weren't the By Laws amended after the first time this was witnessed? (Opinions on HOW this occurred are clearly disturbing to many.)

4. President Elect would of course agree on and be in favor of an amendment to the By Laws, to give a notification period of said time frame before the next election, avoiding the same perils.

5. This Technical Sub Forum on this site, is a minority of the entire membership. This grievance is not being heard by the entirety....


EDIT: Mr. Ingham is still a board member as Regional Director of Region 9, am I correct?Region IX:

Mike Ingham michael.ingham248@gmail.com

California, Hawaii, Arizona and Nevada

[Michael J.]

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"If I were reluctantly accepting the position I would be ecstatic if I were being replaced by someone enthusiastically accepting the position." Exactly, as with all the other stories about Mike wanting to retire and be replaced, why wasn't he "ecstatic"? Obviously none of that was accurate about his feelings, as he confirmed what he really wanted to us here, perhaps it was wishful thinking by some on the board, or something else? People need to think about that part of this mess.

[Floyd B.]

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3. The President Elect, followed the current By Laws as they are written. This election, not being the first time something like this (ambush as being referred to) has occurred, why weren't the By Laws amended after the first time this was witnessed? (Opinions on HOW this occurred are clearly disturbing to many.)

It seems like a little bit of formal process could go a long way to prevent controversy in the future. I joined NCRS circa 2000 and I don't recall any such controversy during elections of regional dirs. I believe that is because elections of regional dirs are governed by a clear, well-defined process. I don't think the process for presidential elections needs to be that heavy weight, but requiring the board to declare the time and place of the election to the entire membership along with the qualifications and process required for any person desiring to run for the office, along with reasonable time frames for candidates to submit their candidacy and members to voice their opinions to their elected representatives (Reg Dir), doesn't seem like too much to ask.

I find it a bit ironic that an organization so dedicated to clear processes in virtually every other aspect of the organization runs its elections for president like a banana republic. Think about it, how would you like to explain your deduction for originality to an owner without the JRM, TIM&JG and CDCIF at your disposal?

[Jim L.]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

Why? I would like to answer this question as the Region II Director.

1.) Membership was denied notice of the 2022 annual meeting which was held on February 24, 2022.

2.) Board members were notified on February 15, 2022 that our Florida Board meeting would be the Annual meeting when the agenda and associated documents were sent out.

3.) Board members received SAME DAY notifications of topics that would be discussed in both our executive and general session on February 24, 2022.

So, my answer is…. our NCRS membership deserves better from us.

Well you got that last statement correct but your previous assertion has been thoroughly debunked. It has not withstood even casual scrutiny.

Another excuse you've offered to attempt justifying your underhanded behavior is this:

For my ability to continue to bring my passionate and youthful exuberance while focusing on the need for the NCRS to dramatically improve on its’ marketing, social media, branding, service excellence and advancement of technology to allow this group the opportunity for the growth potential that is essential for the longevity of our club.

And this collection of effusive words says absolutely nothing of substance.

So the legitimate question remains what motivated you to ambush Mike Ingham and kick him to the curb after all his years of dedicated service to the club?

I believe I know the answer.

This isn't about Mike Ingham or the NCRS presidency, it is about removing David Brigham as National Judging Chairman. Mike was just in the way of that goal, collateral damage.

I've learned this fact from two independent sources.

I've heard that your choice to replace David Brigham is Chuck Berg, but I don't have independent confirmation of this.

AFAIK, though, you, Chuck Berg, and maybe one other person in your camp are in the employ of Bloomington Gold. This seems like a pretty clear conflict of interest. I think even you would agree.

Roy has suggested that your clear conflict of interest can be resolved by vacating the office of NCRS president. I concur and I call for your immediate resignation.

As you so eloquently stated, "our NCRS membership deserves better".

[Bob P.]

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Congratulations Shannon. I look forward to working with you going forward. Missed you in Florida, looking forward to seeing you in Louisiana!

[Bob P.]

[Harry S.]

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Danette, please click on the Reply With Quote when you respond. It makes it easier for us to follow what you are saying/responding to.

[Roy S.]

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Ms Urton, this has progressed to the point of ideocracy.

Did you or did you not attended virtually the Past presidents meeting in Florida Friday Februar25, 2022, the day after the ambush of Mike Ingham.

Would you care to share the sentiment of that meeting? Never mind I have it and in a free speech society I can state it, in that meeting Dick Capello, Vito Cimilluca, Vinnie Peters and Mike McCagh the only Past presidents in attendance other than Mike Ingham to the man suggested you resign immediately from Bloomington Gold. That request of you was made by the active past presidents who have led this organization for the last 32 years. Call a special election before your resignation announce your true agenda and allow the membership to here from their directors, then with the proper timing in a true and fair election where four of the nine directors are not blindsided you can ascend to the presidency without having this black mark beside your name or the organization.

If you deny this Ms Urton you continue to put your misplaced EGO ahead of the organization.

Roy Sinor
Past Regional Director - seven years
Past Vice President - two years
Past Activities Chairman - two years
Past 1967 co Team Leader - four years
Past 1967 Team Leader - three years
Retired NCRS National Judging Chairman - seventeen years
Past Document Services Manger - five years
Past National Convention Judges Meal sponsor
Creator of original NCRS Judging Retreat and its content
Foundation Diamond member
Lifetime Achievement Award recipient 2013

[Mark F.]

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Please do the man respect (you have no idea how much he deserves it) and spell his name correctly.
His name is Mr. Sinor
and stop yelling at us in all CAPITAL LETTERS

[Don H.]

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Stop this insanity - MR SIGNIOR. YOU ARE GOING TO DRIVE NEW MEMBERS AWAY WITH THIS BS.

Ms Sawin-
you are a new member here, and we appreciate your membership, and your participation. And your right to post in this forum. What you don't have is a right to tell other members what they can and cannot post here. This forum was created to discuss Technical Issues related to the enjoyment of corvettes. An exception has been made with consent of the BoD, including the new President, so members can voice their concerns about the sudden and unexpected change in club leadership. People are voicing their concerns and while there has been disagreement about what has occurred, members have refrained from attacking each other. I ask that you stop attacking other members. If you do not stop, your posts will be removed. We understand that you support the change in leadership and that is your right. Others disagree with you. Let the discussion continue please. Thank you.

[Jack M.]

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PREFACE: I detest politics and may regret this post... but here goes.
I don't know a single person on the BoD, so please consider a few thoughts from an 'impartial nobody':

There is a huge difference between a HUMAN BEING, and BEING HUMAN.
Unfortunately, it appears some people really don't comprehend these concepts.
Many readers are missing the main point of contention... itz not about a change of officers, itz HOW it was done.
CLASS... DIGNITY... RESPECT... COMMON SENSE... regretfully, they were all tossed aside, for no good reason.

Put yourself in this scenario:
You are walking with a group of friends, and come to a closed door.
Upon opening the door, a few friends walk thru... then purposefully close the door on their remaining friends.
If you were in that second group, how would you feel?
There is no 'law' that a person is REQUIRED to hold a door open for others... itz simply common courtesy.

Letz go a little further... pretend one person was hurting/injured and another was carrying them on their shoulders.
Both people couldn't fit thru the door at once, so the injured person gingerly got down, went thru the door...
And proceeded to immediately slam the door in the face of the person that selflessly carried them.
Pretty cruel treatment... don't you think?

Well, Mike Ingham was that person carrying the NCRS on his shoulders... leading them thru difficult/unprecedented times.
To slam the door in his face, was a HUGE insult, a symbolic spit in his face... how can some people NOT be so upset?
Instead, common courtesy should have been invoked, in advance of the meeting...
THANKING Mike for his service, and letting him know that several Reps wanted to move in a new direction.
Heck, even a boxing match starts with a 'clean' tap of gloves between participants... not a sucker punch.

Empathy is an important trait for our species... itz the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
if you do NOT feel Mike was wronged at the last BoD meeting, I truly feel sorry for you and the future of NCRS.
In the end, I can try to EXPLAIN why many people are upset, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you.

Respectfully,
Jack

[Don H.]

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I can't imagine how the essence of this convulsion within this club could be better explained.
Thank you Jack for expressing this.

[Jim L.]

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I can't imagine how the essence of this convulsion within this club could be better explained.
Thank you Jack for expressing this.

I agree completely. Very well stated, Jack.

Now to sit back and see who still doesn't "get it".

[Garry B.]

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PREFACE: I detest politics and may regret this post... but here goes.
I don't know a single person on the BoD, so please consider a few thoughts from an 'impartial nobody':

There is a huge difference between a HUMAN BEING, and BEING HUMAN.
Unfortunately, it appears some people really don't comprehend these concepts.
Many readers are missing the main point of contention... itz not about a change of officers, itz HOW it was done.
CLASS... DIGNITY... RESPECT... COMMON SENSE... regretfully, they were all tossed aside, for no good reason.

Put yourself in this scenario:
You are walking with a group of friends, and come to a closed door.
Upon opening the door, a few friends walk thru... then purposefully close the door on their remaining friends.
If you were in that second group, how would you feel?
There is no 'law' that a person is REQUIRED to hold a door open for others... itz simply common courtesy.

Letz go a little further... pretend one person was hurting/injured and another was carrying them on their shoulders.
Both people couldn't fit thru the door at once, so the injured person gingerly got down, went thru the door...
And proceeded to immediately slam the door in the face of the person that selflessly carried them.
Pretty cruel treatment... don't you think?

Well, Mike Ingham was that person carrying the NCRS on his shoulders... leading them thru difficult/unprecedented times.
To slam the door in his face, was a HUGE insult, a symbolic spit in his face... how can some people NOT be so upset?
Instead, common courtesy should have been invoked, in advance of the meeting...
THANKING Mike for his service, and letting him know that several Reps wanted to move in a new direction.
Heck, even a boxing match starts with a 'clean' tap of gloves between participants... not a sucker punch.

Empathy is an important trait for our species... itz the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
if you do NOT feel Mike was wronged at the last BoD meeting, I truly feel sorry for you and the future of NCRS.
In the end, I can try to EXPLAIN why many people are upset, but I can't UNDERSTAND it for you.

Respectfully,
Jack

Jack, well said. A quote from Maya Angelou served me well throughout my corporate career, "'At the end of the day people won't remember what you said or did, but they will remember how you made them feel.' Yes, right now the deep feelings many are expressing are directly related to what and how it was done, but in the long run we will feel the impact of how it all made us feel for years to come. Trust will have to be re-earned and integrity and good intentions will be suspect all because someone chose to ignore the feelings of others.

[Roy S.]

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Moderators, thank you for allowing this thread re Change to be held open on our Technical Discussion Board.

I request you close it at this time. Absent statements from Board members or Ms Urton. I believe my question has been addressed the facts have been stated, I appreciate the input.

thanks

Roy