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[Lou C.]

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Things change. This was not the right way to make a change.

[Eric P.]

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There is one thing in common on display, and consistent in all of these posts: a PASSION for the NCRS. We have this side and that side, people on both sides and inevitably some will stay in the middle. When I joined the NCRS I felt then and would like to continue to feel as if I am a part of an organization with some CLASS. Class in not determined by the Corvette you own, the clothes you wear, or the watch on your wrist, CLASS is usually measured on how one acts. Another word I will bring up is TRANSPARENCY. Transparency is something that should be very easy for people to communicate to others these days through all tools we have. Being TRANSPARENT, means nothing more than being honest. My hope is that the members not just a select few are able to learn a lot more about this situation and what happened.

Maybe the majority will then know how they really feel about this?

Eric Patty
Member #8355

[Bob D.]

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Arland

Bravo, I agree wholeheartedly. There should be a chance for the membership to know who wants to run for president and the members should be able to comment through their regional rep.

Bob

[Tim S.]

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Having read through this thread, I have a few thoughts.........

I am not a judge, nor have I ever "stepped up" as many of you have. I am nothing more than a paying member that periodically contributes to the TDB, and enjoys the fruits of my membership.

There seems to be valid points on both sides of the matter. The NCRS has to keep an eye on the future (while not ignoring it's past). That having been said, change is imminent and the NCRS (and it's members) must embrace what is necessary to strengthen moving forward. But, along with that is a need for due process and transparency. If a change in the bi-laws is needed, that needs to occur first before anything else.

Shannon, I applaud your willingness to step up to the occasion and want to assume you have the best interest at heart. I also want to thank you for keeping this "open forum" alive, as it would be so easy to bury the topic with a deletion of the thread. What is difficult to digest though..........you are in on a procedural event that lacks class and etiquette, as evidenced by your own vote. A bi-law is just that, a governing rule that must be adhered to. Not to be amended after the fact, or deemed inapplicable as needed.

It is sad that grown adults find it necessary to handle themselves as told. Lastly, the subject at hand leaves me with more questions than answers about the integrity of what occurs at the top.

Tim

[David H.]

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Going forward questions. What changes will membership see?

What are we doing now, that we're going stop doing?

What aren't we doing now, that we're going to start doing?

re NCRS personnel - intention to make changes or intention to avoid making changes?

i.e. If same ol' same ol', why make a change?

Dave

[Michael J.]

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Good point David. Whenever there is a new Sheriff in town, things change.

[Terry M.]

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Tim's comments very closely mirror my own. I purchased my first Corvette in 1990, a 1965 fuel injected coupe. My intent was to restore it within the following 3 years. I immediately joined NCRS and began looking for and purchasing some parts as I could afford them. I was early in my working career and had a young family. As an aside, the guy that sold me the '65 said, "you have no business buying this car with 3 young kids". Anyway, I was able to convince my wife that it was a good investment and he sold it to me. Well, life stepped in and the restoration was put on hold until 2019 after I had retired. Following a full frame off restoration, the car was finished in 2021 and I attended judging meets at the Cedar Rapids Regional (Top Flight), Bloomington Gold (Gold Certificate) and MCACN (Triple Diamond). I have met so many great people along the way....some NCRS members and others that were not. In short, it has been a great experience and I look forward to continued judging for my PV and, ultimately, Duntov.

The subject matter of this post is disturbing to me. The leadership transition process as I understand it was not handled in an honest, respectful manner. Politics, unfortunately, is a pandemic that has spread into every facet of our lives. While I had not previously thought of it as pertaining to our organization, I would be foolish to think that we were impervious to it. Anyway, this isn't really what I expected or what I signed up for. Will I quit the organization? No, there are too many good people involved and I still love the hobby. Do I expect better? Yes. While conflict of interest has yet to be proven (my view), the perception of a conflict should be enough for people to avoid it (again, my view). If new governing rules are needed, then the membership should push for them. In the meantime, I am hopeful that there will be no proven conflicts of interest and that our organization, Bloomington Gold and MCACN can successfully continue and flourish.

[James G.]

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Not the ncrs i joined in 1976.

[Gary B.]

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Do any of you really want an NCRS prez who is willing to accept the position under such unethical, disturbing, disgusting, unprofessional, shameful, embarrassing, insulting, and saddening conditions?

Be sure to ask yourself what it says about the moral compass of anyone who would accept the job under such disgusting circumstances?

An NCRS member for 43 years and an invitee to join back when there were troubling allegations about the Classic Corvette Club '53 - '55, if this morally corrupt situation stands, I will NOT renew my membership.

Jim,

I agree completely with the question in your first sentence.

I never expected to be considering the action in your last sentence. But I now find myself in that position.

Gary

[Bob B.]

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Given the apparent lack of notice for this Board meeting, would it have been inappropriate for someone to have suggested or moved that the election in question be delayed until the next Board meeting, and Mike asked if he would continue to serve at least until that time?

[Gary C.]

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By-Laws amendment process is outline in the NCRS By-Laws Section 24 - which is key word searchable and attached.

click here for NCRS By_Laws

Gary
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[Mark F.]

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Sorry for maybe being a little dense on all of this, but as a result of reviewing the By-Laws (ARTICLE IV - BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND BOARD MEETINGS January 10, 2022 version), I’m now confused about my previous posts regarding an individual member serving simultaneous roles as an officer/manager/leader. In other words, does NCRS require the President to also be a Regional Representative? (NCRS website calls them Directors)? More discussion follows below…https://www.ncrs.org/training/docume...RS-By-Laws.pdf

Regarding subsections 4.2, 4.3 and 4.6 below, I have added some underlining emphasis to demonstrate my confusion, as also evidenced by my questions:

4.2 The Board shall consist of nine elected Regional Representatives, each of whom is elected
for a three-year term. Each year three of the nine Regional Representatives are subject to reelection. Representatives are not subject to term limits. < Does the 1^st sentence mean the President cannot be a member of the Board of Directors (BoD) unless he/she is also a Regional Representative? (see next section and question as well)

4.3 The President and Secretary of NCRS are respectively the Chairman and Secretary of the
Board. < So, does this mean we can have an NCRS President who is NOT also a Regional Representative? (see next section and question as well)

If the answer above is YES, section 4.6 states the following: “The President is a full voting member of the board.” <By exclusion, I assume this means the Secretary is a non-voting member of the BoD? If that is the case and the President is NOT also a Regional Representative, that means there could be 10 voting BoD members, correct? Who breaks a tie?

Final question: If an NCRS President is also a Regional Representative and is not re-elected as such for another 3-year Director term while continuing to serve in the role as President, does that require that President to then appoint a replacement Regional Representative caused by the non-reinstatement vote by the membership? (which then also goes back to 10 voting board members...)

Just trying to understand...

[Michael I.]

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Terry,
That is correct, and as I'm sure you have been told my response when asked if I would serve was "yes, reluctantly." Anyone who knows me should know that my use of the word "reluctantly" was not serious and was not meant as a signal that I was ready to step down. I was caught completely off guard by John Ballard's nomination of Shannon. Anyone who bothered to ask me what my intentions were with regard to the presidency of the NCRS knew that my desire was to serve through the 2024 Convention when the club will celebrate its 50th anniversary. I understand that Ralph Ridge is citing my use of the word "reluctantly" as the reason for his vote, so I guess I just have myself to blame. Sharyl and I have given more than seven years of our lives working for the betterment of this club. I think Jim Lockwood said it best, I just feel we were tossed out like yesterday's trash.
Mike

[Ed N.]

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Thank you, Gary.
I'm going to read this several more times. After the first few passes, I'm not understanding where the conflict is. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that I don't see it.
Again, if there is no conflict, Shannon will be a great President for NCRS. Ours is a wonderful organization and deserves someone like her.

Agreed, I'm excited about her leadership and will do what I can do help her succeed.

[Jim L.]

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I can not support an organization which tolerates such underhanded maneuvering.

I have an article in Vinnie's queue about how to deal with replacement temperature senders. I would be ashamed to have my name appear in the Restorer subsequent to these shenanigans and I've asked Vinnie to NOT publish the article.