(revisited) '65 L78 # 22301

[Wayne M.]

You may remember this car. Appeared first on eBay in June 2003 as front clip only with MSO. Then again in March 2006 as a completed car. Now it's on eBay again. The description says ... "I have shown this car to the National NCRS Judge for 1965 Vettes, and he confirmed this fact" (???). Would this be the NCRS '65 team leader ? (Dale F. ?) Confirmed what fact ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230229856299&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013

if you search archives using "22301", my photobucket links still work, but not the eBay ones.

Now I hate to be a spoilsport on this car, but the description, although good in what IS said, is not telling the whole story. Price asked seems reasonable for what is offered, but maybe NCRS members would be a tad disappointed in it's past history, after the fact.

Just raising a yellow flag; if I'm off base, I'll cancel the thread (after I learn how to )

[Brian M.]

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Looks like it was well done.

[Joe C.]

Re: (revisited) '65 L78 # 22301

You may remember this car. Appeared first on eBay in June 2003 as front clip only with MSO. Then again in March 2006 as a completed car. Now it's on eBay again. The description says ... "I have shown this car to the National NCRS Judge for 1965 Vettes, and he confirmed this fact" (???). Would this be the NCRS '65 team leader ? (Dale F. ?) Confirmed what fact ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230229856299&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013

if you search archives using "22301", my photobucket links still work, but not the eBay ones.

Now I hate to be a spoilsport on this car, but the description, although good in what IS said, is not telling the whole story. Price asked seems reasonable for what is offered, but maybe NCRS members would be a tad disappointed in it's past history, after the fact.

Just raising a yellow flag; if I'm off base, I'll cancel the thread (after I learn how to )

Dear Lord, God! Looky this:

[Steven S.]

Re: (revisited) '65 L78 # 22301

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "MSO"?

[Wayne M.]

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "MSO"?

Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (the birth certificate for each of our cars). The seller has shown the first Florida title, but not the MSO, which correctly allows him to claim 396.

In past eBay listing(s) the (then) seller showed pic of MSO [I can post the one from this car, if asked]. Essentially it shows VIN, weight, taxable h.p. (by which you can confirm engine displacement, not horsepower).

[Bill C.]

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Steven: MSO= Manufacturer Statment Of Origin.. This car was at Cypress Meet with a sign stating, "Numbers do not match but close" which would be like being a little bit pregnant. Bill #20328

[Steven S.]

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Thanks for the explaination guys. Is this document something that is provided for every car at purchase, or is it something for when they are shipped across the border?

[Joel F.]

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I am a bit ambivalent about this. On the one hand, the end product does look to be nicely done. On the other, I am not sure where we draw the line as to what is and is not a "car" to form the basis of a restoration. Did the owner buy a finished car and just swap the tag and vin? I am all for taking a wreck of a car and returning it to a former glory, however I would be curious as to how this car came into being.

At least the seller is being mostly upfront about what is there and the ask is not off the charts.

[John H.]

Re: (revisited) '65 L78 # 22301

Thanks for the explaination guys. Is this document something that is provided for every car at purchase, or is it something for when they are shipped across the border?

The MSO is the car's legal "birth certificate", and was mailed to the dealer when the car was shipped. The dealer then submitted the MSO to the licensing authority (DMV, etc.) when the car was sold in order to register/title/plate the car in the name of the first owner.

[Steven S.]

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Alright, I'm with you so far, but allow me an additional question... how would one have ended up with such a document? It sounds like this sort of thing would only have been used by the DMV and then destroyed at some point.

Thanks for the explainations,
Steve

[John H.]

Re: (revisited) '65 L78 # 22301

Alright, I'm with you so far, but allow me an additional question... how would one have ended up with such a document? It sounds like this sort of thing would only have been used by the DMV and then destroyed at some point.

Thanks for the explainations,
Steve

Several possibilities - a DMV clerk might have mistakenly given the MSO back to the dealer instead of keeping it, it might have been misplaced in the office at the dealership and they got the DMV to register the car based on the Wholesale Invoice and the MSO showed up later, etc.

[Steven S.]

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So basically this is an unusual document to have. Interesting how one would have that document along with what was left of the car, I guess stranger things have happened.

Thanks for the info!
Steve

[Dick W.]

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Quite a few years ago I was restoring a '29 Buick, supposedly a one owner car. I made contact with the DMV of the state it came from and asked them for info on the car. What I received was a copy of the MSO and a copy of the original title.

[Brian M.]

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John, was the MSO a multi layerd document? I thought a copy went to NICB also???

Several possibilities - a DMV clerk might have mistakenly given the MSO back to the dealer instead of keeping it, it might have been misplaced in the office at the dealership and they got the DMV to register the car based on the Wholesale Invoice and the MSO showed up later, etc.

[Steven S.]

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Quite a few years ago I was restoring a '29 Buick, supposedly a one owner car. I made contact with the DMV of the state it came from and asked them for info on the car. What I received was a copy of the MSO and a copy of the original title.

Impressive, mind if I ask what state?

John, was the MSO a multi layerd document? I thought a copy went to NICB also???

Man, you guys are just losing me with the acronyms... what is NICB??