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  • Ronald L.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • October 18, 2009
    • 3248

    #16
    Re: 67 Jack Handle

    How soon we forget, was it not just last week that we had the GM print for the 1966 Corvette ONLY jack handle placed on this very forum???

    The answer is was yes - and a month prior we had the earlier 63 64 jack handle print here too that showed they had no holes.

    Sorry Joe - take at look back at those two threads, one from last week and one from early Feb.

    You start in design, you make a print, you make a part and it goes to an assembly plant. The prints for these handles were posted on this forum and show clearly - for Corvette only what eh handle configuration is.
    Scott - its probably measurement error, interpreting where to take the measurement that's given you the difference.

    Nice we could see that at some time there was a survey, but even by 1985 half of those cars could have had something placed in them that was not original. Sorry, just a real fact of life, these cars were dime a dozen in the 70's, remember how cheap they were??? Many were already into a body-off by 1980 and by now probably need another body if if they were used at all. What happened to the jacks? Weren't most pulled out and loaned to the "fond on the road dead's"??? So by the 80's many of them lost their original jack. Its the value of guys that have had these cars since new and or the 70's that helps to establish credible data.

    So I just had to go look at the print> 1-25-63 ...3858953 is released to production, one hole, and the head that is in question dimension .62".

    Bottom line is that if GM hadn't even though of the idea to add the other holes, how on earth do you think could be original to that year?

    Next - there was ONE supplier - not on earth is any big OE going to source such a small volume to two different suppliers.

    The O...as per Dave's research and study...I bet if you call that supplier you just might find someone that was around back then and they will tell you the entire story...

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    • Joe R.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 31, 1976
      • 4547

      #17
      Re: 67 Jack Handle

      Originally posted by Ronald Lovelace (50931)
      How soon we forget, was it not just last week that we had the GM print for the 1966 Corvette ONLY jack handle placed on this very forum???

      The answer is was yes - and a month prior we had the earlier 63 64 jack handle print here too that showed they had no holes.

      Sorry Joe - take at look back at those two threads, one from last week and one from early Feb.

      You start in design, you make a print, you make a part and it goes to an assembly plant. The prints for these handles were posted on this forum and show clearly - for Corvette only what eh handle configuration is.
      Scott - its probably measurement error, interpreting where to take the measurement that's given you the difference.

      Nice we could see that at some time there was a survey, but even by 1985 half of those cars could have had something placed in them that was not original. Sorry, just a real fact of life, these cars were dime a dozen in the 70's, remember how cheap they were??? Many were already into a body-off by 1980 and by now probably need another body if if they were used at all. What happened to the jacks? Weren't most pulled out and loaned to the "fond on the road dead's"??? So by the 80's many of them lost their original jack. Its the value of guys that have had these cars since new and or the 70's that helps to establish credible data.

      So I just had to go look at the print> 1-25-63 ...3858953 is released to production, one hole, and the head that is in question dimension .62".

      Bottom line is that if GM hadn't even though of the idea to add the other holes, how on earth do you think could be original to that year?

      Next - there was ONE supplier - not on earth is any big OE going to source such a small volume to two different suppliers.

      The O...as per Dave's research and study...I bet if you call that supplier you just might find someone that was around back then and they will tell you the entire story...
      Exactly as you point out that 3858953 has but one hole. When did that handle change to the three hole design? From the survey everybody that responded had the three hole design by late 65. Along with a rubber grommet around the head.

      I certainly apologize to the members for getting into a pissing contest on this forum. I'm old enough to know better.

      It won't happen again!

      JR

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      • Ronald L.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • October 18, 2009
        • 3248

        #18
        Re: 67 Jack Handle

        Joe, no pissing contest, there was lots of discussion on this in 2 threads due to JG errors on unclear situation for the C2's in general. Its been a real hot topic, you never know that until you test the water.

        The most important part of all this was we got a real GM print here to see for real what the design intent was - that is a very rare case indeed!!!

        Where we end up is 67 has a different jack handle - from the thread in FEB...

        The lug wrench listed in the 1967 Corvette assembly manual is GM # 3898172.

        I think we'll find if we dig back, that print will have 3 holes.

        I love prints - they tell an incredible history.

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        • David L.
          Expired
          • July 31, 1980
          • 3310

          #19
          Re: 67 Jack Handle

          I assume that anyone who has been involved with these jack handles in the last 30 years knows that they were also used in the Corvairs, but maybe not.

          I do not see how the 3898172 jack handle (3 holes) could be found on a "late" 1965 Corvette when that part number did NOT appear in any assembly manual until 1967 (production beginning about August 1966) or any Chevrolet parts catalog until October 1966.

          GM # 3898172 does appears in the 1967 Corvair-Chevy II-Chevelle-Camaro Parts Catalog, effective October 1966. The 60-67 Corvair, F.C. lists GM # 3858953 as the part # for the lug wrench and GM # 3858953 is listed for the 67 Corvair (see photo below). Therefore, if you were to buy a jack handle "over the counter" for a 1967 Corvair in October 1966 which one would you buy, GM #3858953 or GM # 3898172, to EXACTLY match the one in your 1967 Corvair made in October 1966?

          GM # 3898172 does NOT appear in my 1966 Corvair-Chevy II-Chevelle Parts Catalog (effective January 1966).

          BTW, My 1964 Corvair-Chevy II-Chevelle Parts Catalog (effective October 1963) lists GM # 3780737 (no holes in the handle) for the 60-64 Corvair, F.C. jack handle, the same part number listed for the 1963 & 1964 Corvette.

          According to Chevrolet Parts History 3780737 was replaced in March 1965 by 3858953 which was then replaced by 3898172 in Feb. 1967. I realize that these were service part number changes but the assembly part number changes generally followed the same pattern except that the date changes were different.

          I can not believe how much time and effort that I am now putting into this thread. I knew all of this information about the jack handles over 25 years ago. This is ancient history.

          Dave
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          • David L.
            Expired
            • July 31, 1980
            • 3310

            #20
            Re: 67 Jack Handle

            Originally posted by Scott Smith (50839)
            The one I have measures 11/16" at that point, so unless there was a third type of jack handle, what I have seems not to be a 1967 Corvette jack handle, although it appears correct otherwise.
            Scott,

            The 3898172 jack handle (used on 1967-1982 Corvettes and 1967-1969 Corvairs) that I bought at a swap meet measures 7/8". I believe that there were at least 2 or more manufactures for the "3 hole" jack handle.

            Dave

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            • Page C.
              Very Frequent User
              • February 1, 1979
              • 802

              #21
              Re: 67 Jack Handle

              Hi Dave,
              My mid July 1965 convertible that I purchased in early 1968 has a one hole jack handle with rubber boot. This car was purchased from the original owner and still had the original spare tire in the tub. Although it's possible that it was changed, all indications are that it and the jack are original to this car.
              Page Campbell

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              • David L.
                Expired
                • July 31, 1980
                • 3310

                #22
                Re: 67 Jack Handle

                Page,

                Thanks for your comment. The reason why my 1966 Corvette (Feb. 1966) jack handle (single hole) does not have the rubber donut is because I removed it when I repainted the handle back in the 1980's and never replaced the donut because at the time I could not find the NOS donut.

                Dave

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                • John H.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • December 1, 1997
                  • 16513

                  #23
                  Re: 67 Jack Handle

                  The print for the 172 lug wrench is on page 400 in Noland's book; shows 3 holes, and the socket portion of the assembly is a forging, not a casting.

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                  • Joe R.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • July 31, 1976
                    • 4547

                    #24
                    Re: 67 Jack Handle

                    Originally posted by David Liukkonen (3775)
                    Page,

                    Thanks for your comment. The reason why my 1966 Corvette (Feb. 1966) jack handle (single hole) does not have the rubber donut is because I removed it when I repainted the handle back in the 1980's and never replaced the donut because at the time I could not find the NOS donut.

                    Dave

                    David,

                    When I looked at your pictures of the jack handles, I did not see a hole in the handle at all. Hard to pick out on the pics in my old machine.

                    Thought it was a no-hole handle which would have made it a much earlier handle.

                    My bad!

                    JR

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