Why the blurred columns???

[Dick W.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

NCRS has the option list of cars that have been judged on the national level. Why can't they release the information that we purchased from ourselves when they know our cars options?

Bad info Stan. Only color, trim and HP as recorded on the Green Sheet.

[Dennis O.]

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Huh?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Please explain.

[Dale C.]

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Dennis
When you mentioned King Solomon (a Biblical reference) I made reference to Revelations and the Book of Life which contents are known only to God and parodied NCRS and its column knowledge.
Dale

[Dale C.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Anybody know why when you write on MS Office so as to save your text and then copy and paste to post it reduces the font size? See above.
Dale

[Dennis O.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Dennis
When you mentioned King Solomon (a Biblical reference) I made reference to Revelations and the Book of Life which contents are known only to God and parodied NCRS and its column knowledge.
Dale

Dale,

Excuse me, but my reference to King Solomon's actions in his case are secular in nature, and are used in common conversation. I don't think anyone wants to get into a religious discussion on this, do you? It has no place here. I still don't know what you were trying to tell me in your original response, obscure as it was. Let's drop it.

[Stan E.]

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Don Hooper 50543 If " sure did " means an offer to the PBA it was indirect to a Vette owner county sheriff ,through a deputy,but was declined on several ocasions.

[Dale C.]

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Dennis
No harm meant and no religious intent. It's foregotten.
Dale

[John H.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

What a can of worms. Those blurred columns may be confirmation for some, and an opportunity for others. It will be interesting when verified paperwork comes up supporting a bogus car, when in the past, paperwork was always taken with a grain of salt. It still will come down to doing research and knowing what you are buying.

[Roger P.]

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but personally, I am very disappointed with the policing of this information like it is something that would threaten national security. Most of America is tired of how the government is run. We demand transparency from our elected officials, yet few are willing to "open the books". I am sure that most members that have original documentation believe that the blurred columns should remain that way. Allow only a "select few" to see the information... really? And who decides that? I am the legal owner of my car and should be the "select one" to see the information on my car. This is a hobby for the love of Corvettes. I created a 6-inch thick scrap book with all kinds of photos, documents, receipts, titles, and letters from previous owners regarding my car. I went part way across the country to get my car, and tracked down the previous owners for months. Why? Because I not only love the car, but the history that goes with it. So, as the owner of the car, give me the information in the freakin' blurred columns! If I want to make an accurate reproduction window sticker or order sheet for my car to put in my scrap book, who says I can't? It's not illegal. Many members restore their cars for Flight judging to be as accurate as possible. They "forge" stencils, engine VIN pads, and replace parts with correct date coded items to "appear" original. For those so concerned about the 3 blurred columns of information getting into the wrong hands because documents can be forged by "bad guys", you should really give it some more thought -- and think about your fellow members who aren't as fortunate as the ones with original documentation. It's pretty darn selfish. I thought the NCRS was about preserving the history of Corvettes, not trying to police bad guys at the expense of their members.

Roger Piper (50141)

[Mark D.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Pretty entertaining thread. We got your conspiracy theorists, religous scholars, those easily offended, others that think poor pitiful me, some that hate the fuzz and others that are the fuzz (cheese it, the fuzz), This thread has more twists and turns than Stephen Hawking's spinal column...oops, I'll bet I just offended someone.

Right now, the columns are blurred, just like my eyes, and I hope they stay that way.

[Joe L.]

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but personally, I am very disappointed with the policing of this information like it is something that would threaten national security. Most of America is tired of how the government is run. We demand transparency from our elected officials, yet few are willing to "open the books". I am sure that most members that have original documentation believe that the blurred columns should remain that way. Allow only a "select few" to see the information... really? And who decides that? I am the legal owner of my car and should be the "select one" to see the information on my car. This is a hobby for the love of Corvettes. I created a 6-inch thick scrap book with all kinds of photos, documents, receipts, titles, and letters from previous owners regarding my car. I went part way across the country to get my car, and tracked down the previous owners for months. Why? Because I not only love the car, but the history that goes with it. So, as the owner of the car, give me the information in the freakin' blurred columns! If I want to make an accurate reproduction window sticker or order sheet for my car to put in my scrap book, who says I can't? It's not illegal. Many members restore their cars for Flight judging to be as accurate as possible. They "forge" stencils, engine VIN pads, and replace parts with correct date coded items to "appear" original. For those so concerned about the 3 blurred columns of information getting into the wrong hands because documents can be forged by "bad guys", you should really give it some more thought -- and think about your fellow members who aren't as fortunate as the ones with original documentation. It's pretty darn selfish. I thought the NCRS was about preserving the history of Corvettes, not trying to police bad guys at the expense of their members.

Roger Piper (50141)

Roger------


I agree with you. I think there is WAY TOO MUCH secrecy in government and the vast majority of it has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's good for the country. In fact, it's quite the contrary.

However, the situation with these GM records and the "blurred columns" is entirely different. The release of this information would not contribute one iota to the Corvette hobby. There's absolutely nothing there that would have any meaning, whatsoever, to the advancement of the hobby or the advancement of Corvette knowledge. The information only has the possible use of being usable to discredit fake documentation. In fact, it can't really be used to authenticate documents because the creator of the documents might be able to obtain the "blurred column" information from other sources (like original documents but those that don't show certain options now on the car).

If the information were to be made public and widely available it would instantly render the information useless for discrediting bogus documents. At that point, everything contained in these documents would be, for all practical purposes, useless. The only benefit would be in showing the zone and dealer number to which a particular car was delivered. That information is already being made available as I understand it.

In fact, if the information in the "blurred columns" were to be made public and widely available, I think it would be better to just cut that portion of the records off and burn it. That's because in that case the information would be useless and would simply provide document forgers with the ability to make their forged documents more accurate.

[Steve B.]

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Roger------


I agree with you. I think there is WAY TOO MUCH secrecy in government and the vast majority of it has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's good for the country. In fact, it's quite the contrary.

However, the situation with these GM records and the "blurred columns" is entirely different. The release of this information would not contribute one iota to the Corvette hobby. There's absolutely nothing there that would have any meaning, whatsoever, to the advancement of the hobby or the advancement of Corvette knowledge. The information only has the possible use of being usable to discredit fake documentation. In fact, it can't really be used to authenticate documents because the creator of the documents might be able to obtain the "blurred column" information from other sources (like original documents but those that don't show certain options now on the car).

If the information were to be made public and widely available it would instantly render the information useless for discrediting bogus documents. At that point, everything contained in these documents would be, for all practical purposes, useless. The only benefit would be in showing the zone and dealer number to which a particular car was delivered. That information is already being made available as I understand it.

In fact, if the information in the "blurred columns" were to be made public and widely available, I think it would be better to just cut that portion of the records off and burn it. That's because in that case the information would be useless and would simply provide document forgers with the ability to make their forged documents more accurate.

Joe hits this right on the head as usual. I think that NCRS should be applauded for trying to preserve the integrity of this information. While I like transparency, in this case I am all for making things more difficult for the people who have caused severe damage to the hobby. Let's face it, fraud has been rampant the last 25 years with way more fuelies, black/red airboxes, early vin 396s, LS6s, AO smith 435s, faked L88s, color changes, added options etc. Every person who has bought a car like that and presented it for judging is one more person who will most likely not be a member for long and how is that good for NCRS? Anything that can be done to try to preserve the history of these cars before it's too late is a good thing even though they are fighting an uphill battle. Keep up the good work.
Regards,

[Ridge K.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Pretty entertaining thread. We got your conspiracy theorists, religous scholars, those easily offended, others that think poor pitiful me, some that hate the fuzz and others that are the fuzz (cheese it, the fuzz), This thread has more twists and turns than Stephen Hawking's spinal column...oops, I'll bet I just offended someone.

Right now, the columns are blurred, just like my eyes, and I hope they stay that way.

Pretty much a perfect summary, Mark.

The only small part you left out is that it is also a rated thread, with posted ratings running the gamut, from five star to a "poor" one star....

[Michael W.]

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The only small part you left out is that it is also a rated thread, with posted ratings running the gamut, from five star to a "poor" one star....

A-ha! More proof that this is all a sinister plot to conceal the truth and keep the poor working man on his knees as a slave to the 'system'

[John H.]

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It is interesting to note that the Pontiac and Ford people are afforded all the information that is available to them, and a lot of their cars fall into the high price category with high judging standards to boot. They also have the same issues that we have with cars that are not what they appear to be. Just a thought.