Why the blurred columns???

[G A.]

Re: Why the blurred columns???

Share all the info and in 90 days it would not be worth the paper it is written on. By the time that the "paper manufacturers" got a copy, all the counterfeit docs would be "good".

There is good reason not to share, plus the General still has control of this info, it is NOT owned by NCRS. The General dictates the what, how, and costs of this data.

Obviously 'control' can be purchased or we wouldn't have access to the data we are discussing.

I thought the reason for obtaining these documents was to help identify a real from a bogus car, (or documents if you will, the way I see it they are one in the same, since any car with faked documents leads one to doubt the authenticity of the car, whether the car is faked or not, but how would I know the documents are fake if I'm not allowed access to them?) so if we do not have access to this avenue how can the mission be accomplished? The mission being, "How can I be protected from purchasing a bogus car since bogus cars are running around having been judged by NCRS volunteers to be what they appear?" Maybe the possible identification of faked cars is not really a priority?

- Dan

[Paul J.]

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I think the info in the blurred columns will never affirm a real car, but it will HELP confirm real documents.

I think an example would go like this. Anyone feel free to correct me if my thinking is wrong.

I believe there are IDENT numbers and Invoice numbers in the info the NCRS has secured. As John H. said, these numbers are unique to the original paperwork of the car. I don't believe they reveal any equipment or real information about the car. However, they do appear on original documents. Say you have a "Real" car. You also have some documentation for the car. You can submit these documents to the NCRS to see if the documents you have contain any of the said numbers. If the numbers on your paperwork don't jive, you can feel certain that your paperwork may not be real, even though your car could very well be or not be real. Further investigation would have to take place at that point. Make any sense ??

You beat me to it! Thanks for posting that.

[Tom H.]

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"How can I be protected from purchasing a bogus car since bogus cars are running around having been judged by NCRS volunteers to be what they appear?" Maybe the possible identification of faked cars is not really a priority?

- Dan

I think that is a topic that has been covered before. An NCRS award does not certify the car is real. Never has. We know that. If you plan to purchase a car with what appears to be real documents, you can request the document authentification service. ( At least the owner can. ) If the car you plan to purchase has no paperwork, the information contained in the blurred columns will do you absolutely no good.

[Michael W.]

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If the car you plan to purchase has no paperwork, the information contained in the blurred columns will do you absolutely no good.

Tom,

That's how I understand things too.

[G A.]

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I think that is a topic that has been covered before. An NCRS award does not certify the car is real. Never has. We know that. If you plan to purchase a car with what appears to be real documents, you can request the document authentification service. ( At least the owner can. ) If the car you plan to purchase has no paperwork, the information contained in the blurred columns will do you absolutely no good.

Never insinuated that the award(s) make the car real, but they do help in building a case.

Your answer does help clarify the usefulness of the authentication service for me. And yes, some of this has probably been covered in the past. Some of us though, take a little longer to fully understand all the implications. This is a subject with a lot of "what if's" and I think the more it is discussed the better. Thanks.
- Dan

[Tom H.]

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Never insinuated that the award(s) make the car real, but they do help in building a case.

Your answer does help clarify the usefulness of the authentication service for me. And yes, some of this has probably been covered in the past. Some of us though, take a little longer to fully understand all the implications. This is a subject with a lot of "what if's" and I think the more it is discussed the better. Thanks.
- Dan

Good post Dan: Believe me, I understand both sides of the argument. It takes me a while to get stuff too. I think the main thing to understand is the NCRS is not hiding information that has any real value !!

[Doug F.]

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The blurred numbers do not reveal anything about the options, colors, etc. At the time they were issued, it was just a means of tracking the order, not the info on the order

If the answer is that simple, why did it take 35 posts to get to it?

[Michael W.]

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If the answer is that simple, why did it take 35 posts to get to it?

Well, Joe L. did mention it in post number 3, but it's much more fun to develop a few conspiracy theories instead.

[G A.]

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Well, Joe L. did mention it in post number 3, but it's much more fun to develop a few conspiracy theories instead.

Mike,

Joe L. said "options originally installed on the car", which as I understood the direction of the thread had been left behind for the possibility that the blurred data could verify documents. Not all of us fit so conveniently into your conspiracy. Sometimes, as I said, we are just a little slower to learn than others.
- Dan

[Dale C.]

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I think the state of Hawaii is in cahoots with the NCRS and neither will release my cars birth certificate.

[Gene M.]

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I think the state of Hawaii is in cahoots with the NCRS and neither will release my cars birth certificate.

NOW THAT'S FUNNY........

[Dale C.]

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Two things here: Like politics, altruistic deceit whether by omission or commission seldom leads to anything good. Also like politics, knowledge is power and power corrupts. Having said that I am not accusing the NCRS of politics or either of the aforementioned, however they should consider the path they have chosen very carefully. For what ultimately makes the NCRS such a great organization is the great people who make it up. Therefore, like the politics of our country, ultimate success for the NCRS lies in the harmony of its membership and its leadership.

[Jack M.]

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In the article it shows seven columns of information and blur all the information in the final three.

I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, but all my 'original' documents are blurred on the right side too! And when I look at the person sitting in the passenger seat, they are never in focus.

In reality, I'm thankful for all the hard work and effort that went into obtaining and sharing this documentation. You can always release more particulars (if and when needed), but you can never recall the info if it gets in the wrong hands.

[Ronald L.]

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Jack - so well said, I'm glad you chimed in. We have enough cars that have grown side pipes, 100 cubes, and more since leaving St Louis.

It is a very touchy subject and would be a non event if and when the real build sheets for these cars were to be recovered - now that is a real conspiracy!

Dale has stated something very important and I hope enough of us are around 10 years from now that we can look back upon today and say NCRS is still around and as strong as it is today. Personally I bet its going to have to take that long or longer such that those with lots to lose have lost something else such that they can't lose at this one before the real data will surface.

[Michael W.]

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Dale has stated something very important

I couldn't read it- too small and blurry.