Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

[Larry E.]

Wondering about this situation. Let's set the stage:

We are at a regional meet with a C2; 66 or 67, take your pick. St.Louis Body Car.

Car's trim tag judged authenic as far as characters on tag go. Owner has gotten

the shipping data paperwork with the build date on it. Let's just say April 20 for

example. Here's the problem: Trim Tag has date of April 24 on it. Is the car now

disqualified or can judging proceed?? Thanks in advance--Larry

[Kenneth H.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Larry, I'm not a judge, but I would guess that there isn't an issue. The shipping data paperwork is not part of the judging process and the judges don't need, nor probably want to see it.

Thanks.

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Wondering about this situation. Let's set the stage:

We are at a regional meet with a C2; 66 or 67, take your pick. St.Louis Body Car.

Car's trim tag judged authenic as far as characters on tag go. Owner has gotten

the shipping data paperwork with the build date on it. Let's just say April 20 for

example. Here's the problem: Trim Tag has date of April 24 on it. Is the car now

disqualified or can judging proceed?? Thanks in advance--Larry

OK; since the Judges don't see the Shipping Data Sheet info. (Maybe they will in the future via Laptop?)
Let's forget about the judging question. Here is the new question:
Is this car legit?? Comments please. Larry

[David H.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

April 24th 1966 was a Sunday.

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

April 24th 1966 was a Sunday.

Dave: I just picked a date at random. It could have been April 25.
My main point was to indicate the Trim Tag date was later then the Shipping Data build
date. Just would like to know if this can happen. Thoughts?? Larry

[Loren L.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

There are obviously people with better access to the "shipping data" information than I, but could the dates on these documents perhaps refer to the Monday of the week that they EXPECT the car to ship? As a practical matter, it seems to me that it would have been more likely to do these on a weekly, rather than daily, basis.

Wondering about this situation. Let's set the stage:

We are at a regional meet with a C2; 66 or 67, take your pick. St.Louis Body Car.

Car's trim tag judged authenic as far as characters on tag go. Owner has gotten

the shipping data paperwork with the build date on it. Let's just say April 20 for

example. Here's the problem: Trim Tag has date of April 24 on it. Is the car now

disqualified or can judging proceed?? Thanks in advance--Larry

[David H.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

There are obviously people with better access to the "shipping data" information than I, but could the dates on these documents perhaps refer to the Monday of the week that they EXPECT the car to ship? As a practical matter, it seems to me that it would have been more likely to do these on a weekly, rather than daily, basis.

BUMP

FWIW: on my 1980, the trim tag has a 1 April (yes, April Fools - a Tuesday) date. The shipping document is dated April 2nd.

[Michael H.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

My trim tag on my 67 says March 3rd which was a Friday, shipping document says March 6th a Monday. More than likely the car was started on second shift on Friday and finished on Monday. You also have to look and see if there were any holidays as that could effect the build dates as well.

Mike

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

These examples are fine but I am more iterested in trim tag dates that are after the shipping ducument dates.
Simple Question: Is the car legit when the above takes place?? Larry

[Terry M.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Larry,

You asked about a C2 -- and I can't tell you about them -- but I can tell you about C3s.

For C3s the answer is I have never seen the kind of situation that would have a shipping date prior to the trim tag date Moreover I can not think of a situation that would lead to this set of circumstances. After all if the car is gone (shipped) how does the trim tag get changed by UAW employees?

All that said we have had shipping dates available to us only a brief time relative to how long some of us have been toiling in this vineyard. Perhaps there is some set of circumstances we have not yet heard of that could yield this anomaly. Just because I can not think of it doesn't mean that it can't happen.

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Larry,

You asked about a C2 -- and I can't tell you about them -- but I can tell you about C3s.

For C3s the answer is I have never seen the kind of situation that would have a shipping date prior to the trim tag date Moreover I can not think of a situation that would lead to this set of circumstances. After all if the car is gone (shipped) how does the trim tag get changed by UAW employees?

All that said we have had shipping dates available to us only a brief time relative to how long some of us have been toiling in this vineyard. Perhaps there is some set of circumstances we have not yet heard of that could yield this anomaly. Just because I can not think of it doesn't mean that it can't happen.

Terry: Thanks for the response; finally getting down to the meat of my question. Here is the circumstance.
Have a friend (Member of NCRS) who owns a C2. He is the original owner of it. He has gotten the shipping data and
build date from NCRS. His trim tag (never off of car) has date that is past the date of shipping date on shipping data.
Sounds strange but it is what it is. The only thing I can think of is "human error" on either of the dates. Possible?
I tried to talk him into getting the car judged; but he doesn't seem interested. Anyway if he ever would the questions
still remains. Is this ground for disqualification? There is no way of proven it one way or the either. Larry

[Terry M.]

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

One of the difficulties the C2s have is the bodies being built in two different plants. We C3 people do not suffer from that complication. That may, or may not, have a bearing on your question -- and I am not qualified to even speculate on it

Another factor you have just thrown in is the “build date” and the “shipping date.” I was unable to get that documentation for my 1970 Corvette – it doesn’t exist, so I do not know what the “build date” on that means relative to the trim tag date.

Life was a lot simpler when we just had the trim tag date, and didn’t have all this other information to try to figure out. In hindsight I should have stayed out of this discussion. I have probably only clouded the issue.

Terry: It is St.Louis Body as indicated when I started the thread. Sorry for the confusion on the Build Date; ment shipping date. Actualy not sure what
the technical name is on the Shipping Data Report for the date given. Anyway it is the date given on the report.
Always like your input. Larry
P.S. Did anybody else that got the shipping data report fall in this catagory??

[Chris E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that typos on trim tags HAPPENED. I have one on my car. It is a 67 convertible, and the model year on the trim tag shows 66. There are many other examples of trim tag typos. (transposing numbers on the paint code to codes that don't exist, etc)

I would encourage your friend to have the car judged. Every time I've had my car judged (4 Flight Judging, 2 Performance Verification attempts), I have learned a great deal about it.

[Larry E.]

Re: Question for Trim Tag Judges; Dates

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that typos on trim tags HAPPENED. I have one on my car. It is a 67 convertible, and the model year on the trim tag shows 66. There are many other examples of trim tag typos. (transposing numbers on the paint code to codes that don't exist, etc)

I would encourage your friend to have the car judged. Every time I've had my car judged (4 Flight Judging, 2 Performance Verification attempts), I have learned a great deal about it.

Chris:
Thanks for your info; interesting. But the bottom line is I don't want him to invest in all the time/money involved to
get it judged w/o knowing if it could get disqualified at the start. Hard to get a simple answer to a simple question here.
Larry