test for ethanol

[Kurt G.]

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Guys, lets face it. Since we became politically correct and bowed to the whims of those with the severe urge to embrace the flora and fawna of our land the gas we have been able to buy is little more than goat excrement. The fact that an internal combustion engine can operate on it at all since the politicians forced the distillers to take all the benzine, butane, propane and all the other stuff that burns out of it. Remember the stuff you used to put in. It burned your nose when you got a whiff of it. My '72 SB got almost 20 mpg on it, now I get barely 12. I wish I could somehow get a few hundred gallons of Benzine here from Germany. Stuff burns your nose, smells good and fuel economy with the stuff is awesome. And they have clean air to boot.

[Michael W.]

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Kurt-

The gasoline sold today in Germany and just about every European country is virtually identical in composition to the E10 sold here. 'Benzine' is simply the common German word for 'gasoline', much as 'Petrol' is in the UK or 'Essence' in France. If you're ever in Portugal or Spain, don't put gasoleo in your car- unless it has a diesel engine.

My '73 SB gets 20 mpg on E10, best find out what's wrong with your '72.

[Terry M.]

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Guys, lets face it. Since we became politically correct and bowed to the whims of those with the severe urge to embrace the flora and fawna of our land the gas we have been able to buy is little more than goat excrement. The fact that an internal combustion engine can operate on it at all since the politicians forced the distillers to take all the benzine, butane, propane and all the other stuff that burns out of it. Remember the stuff you used to put in. It burned your nose when you got a whiff of it. My '72 SB got almost 20 mpg on it, now I get barely 12. I wish I could somehow get a few hundred gallons of Benzine here from Germany. Stuff burns your nose, smells good and fuel economy with the stuff is awesome. And they have clean air to boot.

I don't know how to say this without crossing the line into politics, but I will try. It is my opinion that the agribusiness lobby is at the heart of the alcohol addition to our fuel, and that was who dragged along the environmentalists -- who I will admit were not entirely unwilling. But regardless of whom we want to blame the motoring public is who suffers. We feel it most because some of us store our cars for more than 6-months, or don't operate them enough to burn off a full tank of gas in a year. We can debate for a long time who is to blame, but in the end we are all standing in a circle pointing at the guy next to us.

[Kurt G.]

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Michael,

Ich einem argument mit sie ich beginnen nicht, aber das benzine im Deutschland und USA sind zusammen nicht. Deutsch benzine habe fast kein Alkohol. Aber, dass ist der punkt nicht. Der USA gasoline is sehr schlecht fur unsere autos mit vielen dank zu das EPA. Es brennen nicht gleich das alt gasoline und wir, die Americanisch Verbraucher muss die Folgerung erdulden. Ich besuchen Deutschland letzt sommer und Maine Nass brennen noch.

Ok, I'm being a bit smart here, but I must disagree with Michael. I only call it as I see it, and as I know from talking to several exhibitors at the "Oldtimers Gala", or in English, the concours de' Elegance at Schlossgarten Schwetzengen, including several Corvette owners there. Guess that's why my brother-in-law gets about 22 km per liter with his 2.2 liter Toyota crossover. That's about 48 mpg.

[Dick W.]

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Kurt-

The gasoline sold today in Germany and just about every European country is virtually identical in composition to the E10 sold here. 'Benzine' is simply the common German word for 'gasoline', much as 'Petrol' is in the UK or 'Essence' in France. If you're ever in Portugal or Spain, don't put gasoleo in your car- unless it has a diesel engine.

My '73 SB gets 20 mpg on E10, best find out what's wrong with your '72.

22 kilometers?

[Michael J.]

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I don't know how to say this without crossing the line into politics, but I will try. It is my opinion that the agribusiness lobby is at the heart of the alcohol addition to our fuel, and that was who dragged along the environmentalists -- who I will admit were not entirely unwilling. But regardless of whom we want to blame the motoring public is who suffers. We feel it most because some of us store our cars for more than 6-months, or don't operate them enough to burn off a full tank of gas in a year. We can debate for a long time who is to blame, but in the end we are all standing in a circle pointing at the guy next to us.

Well said Terry, that's a pretty good summary. I am not too pessimistic here, the courts:

http://www.agprofessional.com/news/189439311.html

And the new bills in Congress I mentioned at the top of this thread meant to stop the introduction of E15, gives one reason to hope that ethanol mandates will not grow, and we in the pipeline business will not be continually pressured to transport ethanol on our lines without our consent (and engineering and scientific best judgement) and thus the contamination that today is spotty and not too common will not increase to an epidemic that threatens the modern cars and not just our classics. People are getting wiser about this, even the enviros, who know the ethanol scam is not good for the environment overall. Speaking as an out-West, very rural citizen, I really think giving us a choice as to what fuel we want to use, since we are not in a big, crowded, people stacked on people, dense traffic situation where pollution is an issue, would be ideal. But we have no choices anymore, just a typical government "one size fits all" solution for our life for no reason other than the big city folks problems. I do hope you guys and gals in the big city, East and West Coast traffic crowds appreciate our sacrifice for your environment

[Kurt G.]

[Michael W.]

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Michael,

Ich einem argument mit sie ich beginnen nicht, aber das benzine im Deutschland und USA sind zusammen nicht. Deutsch benzine habe fast kein Alkohol. Aber, dass ist der punkt nicht. Der USA gasoline is sehr schlecht fur unsere autos mit vielen dank zu das EPA. Es brennen nicht gleich das alt gasoline und wir, die Americanisch Verbraucher muss die Folgerung erdulden. Ich besuchen Deutschland letzt sommer und Maine Nass brennen noch.

Ok, I'm being a bit smart here, but I must disagree with Michael. I only call it as I see it, and as I know from talking to several exhibitors at the "Oldtimers Gala", or in English, the concours de' Elegance at Schlossgarten Schwetzengen, including several Corvette owners there. Guess that's why my brother-in-law gets about 22 km per liter with his 2.2 liter Toyota crossover. That's about 48 mpg.

From the other car discussion boards I belong to where the majority of owners are European, E10 is very much a reality there. About half the benzine stations in Germany had E10 available as of 2011. Other EU countries were well ahead or behind of this number.

On the other hand, there's as much misinformation and myth on that side of the ocean about boogiemen as there is here.

Believe what you like.

[Ronald L.]

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Nice thread, must be something very special about ethanol to have invoked such a contribution to this thread.

Joe - I posted this a few years ago, I was these at the engineering lab say 1980 ish when the first cars came back with plugged corroded up fuel system when gasohol came it. It was a mad dash to fit the issue so by the time you went for the one & only drive with that '89 Cady, these systems functioned fine. But back then as well the mileage drop was clear. A few years ago Sunoco used to be ROH free and you could get 2mpg better that using BP and other that loaded the corn in.

This recent example, very repeatable, just served a reminder.