Engine built date

[Gary P.]

I just picked up a 63 with a vin around 7223 ( I think) the motor casting date of K-6-2 and assembly date of F1114RF It seems like the motor is a little early for the car. Would this be acceptable. Thanks

[Edward J.]

Re: Engine built date

Gary, My 63 I have a Jan 16th cast date and a Feb 25th assy date, and my build date is march 14th. I believe the SHP motors lagged behind, as the 250 and 300hp car where only weeks apart.

[Terry D.]

Re: Engine built date

Check the archives, this has been discussed by several who would know.

[Gary P.]

Re: Engine built date

I looked up the cars build date, It was Jan 26 of 63 that would make the motor assembly date 2 1/4 months before the car's assembly date. and 2 1/2 months from casting date of motor, would that be acceptable. Thanks

[Joe L.]

Re: Engine built date

I looked up the cars build date, It was Jan 26 of 63 that would make the motor assembly date 2 1/4 months before the car's assembly date. and 2 1/2 months from casting date of motor, would that be acceptable. Thanks

Gary-------


Yes.

[John S.]

Re: Engine built date

Guys,

Am I reading this wrong? Isn't a K 6 2 cast date November 6 1962? Build date of 11-14-62 seems perfect. Am I missing something?

John

[Richard M.]

Re: Engine built date

I think his question arises from engine build to car build. Car 7223 was completed apx Jan 21, 1963.

IIRC, don't have the '63 JG in front of me, but "Typical Factory Production" engine build is thought to be around 2 to (4 or 6) weeks before car build.....again IIRC. A engine build in Nov 1962 may be considered a bit non TFP, but not out of the question IMO. My old '63 coupe #9664, had a 300hp cast Feb 12, assembled Feb 18. Car build Feb 27.

The typical 6 month "window of opportunity" discussed pertains usually to ancillaries like dated bits related to engine.... carburetor, manifolds, alternator, regulator, etc.

[John H.]

Re: Engine built date

The typical 6 month "window of opportunity" discussed pertains usually to ancillaries like dated bits related to engine.... carburetor, manifolds, alternator, regulator, etc.

Rich -

Also applies to the basic engine. Although 2-6 weeks is "typical" (and preferable), up to six months still qualifies for full judging credit.

[Wayne M.]

Re: Engine built date

I just picked up a 63 with a vin around 7223 ( I think) the motor casting date of K-6-2 and assembly date of F1114RF It seems like the motor is a little early for the car. Would this be acceptable. Thanks

Offhand, I would agree. Used to own a '63 FI black/blk convertible VIN 07055; engine assy F0110RF. I have the block cast date written down somewhere (this was 30 years ago), but seem to recall A_x_3, where x was a single digit.

[Joe L.]

Re: Engine built date

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The thing that often gets overlooked is the fact that it was not a case of first in, first out at St. Louis; it was more a case of last in, first out. So, it was very easy for some engines to "languish" in the middle to rear of the engine bays. As engines were received, they went into the front of the engine bays and those were the first engines taken out to go to the line. If, for some reason, some time went by between engine deliveries, some of the engine stock towards the middle or, even, rear of the engine bays got "exposed" and pulled out.

[Richard M.]

Re: Engine built date

Rich -

Also applies to the basic engine. Although 2-6 weeks is "typical" (and preferable), up to six months still qualifies for full judging credit.

John, Thanks for the clarification. Sometimes the JG's are implying one thing, but saying another. It's says "Typical 2-6 weeks" but doesn't explicitly say something like..."to as much as 6 months".

Is it possible that a engine got installed in a car with greater than 6 months time difference from engine cast date to car build date? If that happened, what would the Judging Field result be (in your opinion).....full deduct because it's outside 6 months?

Reason I ask, a friend has a triple black '67 L71, stamp pad got machined years ago, so no broach marks, and Assy stamp is gone, but the vin derivative is visible and in IMO very original, just faint. The cast date of this '351 block is 6 months and 10 days before the car build date. IIRC Nov cast date, May car build. No docs, no tank sticker. Could that be possible in 1967? Full deduct, partial deduct?

Rich

[Mike E.]

Re: Engine built date

I'm 400 miles from home, so I can't reference the specific edition of the Restorer, but I wrote an extensive dating article that listed quite a few 62 engine casting and assembly dates and referenced those to the vin's of the cars. That would easily answer this question, since procedures were consistent in this area between 62 and 63. I sometimes wonder if anyone ever pays any attention, and if there is any reason to keep and share this kind of data.

[Richard M.]

Re: Engine built date

I'm 400 miles from home, so I can't reference the specific edition of the Restorer, but I wrote an extensive dating article that listed quite a few 62 engine casting and assembly dates and referenced those to the vin's of the cars. That would easily answer this question, since procedures were consistent in this area between 62 and 63. I sometimes wonder if anyone ever pays any attention, and if there is any reason to keep and share this kind of data.

Mike, I kinda remember that article but since we DO NOT have direct online access to every article here it's hard to find stuff. I have every Restorer since I joined 25 years ago, and back then I even bought the special "multi-pack" of earlier Restorers including the reprint of "The Best of Early Issues". I KNOW we can buy them on CD and search, but how many do that. IMO, the CD should be free to all members, and/or we should have every Article online here for searching for EVERY member.....Just my opinion, but as members I feel we should have this "perk".

It's so hard to search through paper for me these days. I'm so impatient....I need to do a search online to find stuff. Comes from being a Computer/Electronics engineer and using computer tools all my life.

So Mike, Please keep sharing and reminding us of this stuff. You know too much to stop now. I have shared a bit of my measily knowledge(that I sometimes feel is useful) when I can, and sometimes I get frustrated cuz I find myself answering the same questions and referencing old threads and old papers, and I even use the Advanced Search and push the buttons for some folks here(that I can tell may not be 'puter literate), but that's the way it is.

Until we get all of this stuff on a Knowledgebase here, we'll have to keep "re-iterating", and continue to help those who don't know or don't remember.

Sorry if I got a little off topic here,
Rich

[Vinnie P.]

Re: Engine built date

I believe this is the article that Mike is referring to in post # 12. It appeared in Volume 26 #4, Spring 2000

The list he talks about is in the last two pages of the article

https://www.ncrs.org/restorer/Ernst Dating Game.pdf

[Richard M.]

Re: Engine built date

I believe this is the article that Mike is referring to in post # 12. It appeared in Volume 26 #4, Spring 2000

The list he talks about is in the last two pages of the article

https://www.ncrs.org/restorer/Ernst Dating Game.pdf

Thanks Vinnie, So if you notice, Gary Parris joined in 2005 so he never got it.

Rich