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  • Michael H.
    Expired
    • January 29, 2008
    • 7477

    #16
    Re: NCRS Judging hypocrisy.

    Curtis,

    One of the reasons why the decals were not installed at the factory or as part of "new car get ready" was the fact that GM knew that many people would not like them, at all, and would prefer they never come out of the box. This choice was left entirely up to the new owner, or the dealer, if the car was to be an "in stock" or showroom vehicle.

    Basically, the "new car get ready" was a continuation, or completion, of the actual complete assembly of the unit but some items were intentionally left unfinished at the St. Louis plant, for good reason. Hubcaps, antennas and other items that were subject to theft or damage when the unit was in shipment, were left for the dealer to complete/install. Pace car decals would not have come under this rule.

    This is basically the reason why most, or all, GM or aftermarket accessories are not accepted as factory, or correct, for NCRS judging. The hubcaps and antenna were part of new car get ready, that continuation/completion of the assembly. Floor mats, spot lights, fender skirts and even pace car decals were considered accessories, to be installed at the owners request. However, this doesn't mean that they are accepted for full credit during judging.

    The new car get ready included several operations, for which a mechanic was paid a specific amount. If additional options were desired, such as body side mldgs, these options , and the labor rate to perform the operation, were added to the new car get ready sheet. Installing the pace car decals was never part of the basic list of items. It was, in fact, an additional charge option to have them installed.

    A car should be judged in the condition it would be in after it's "final assembly point", the basic dealer get ready process. If a tissue dispenser or luggage rack are added before it's delivered to the new owner, these items should be deductions on the score sheet, in my opinion.

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    • Kevin M.
      Expired
      • November 1, 2000
      • 1271

      #17
      Re: Another thought....

      Roy,

      Who ended up installing it? I’d say since you had it delivered to you and that’s where the boxes were that’s where they should be. Most likely the first and last time the dealership ever saw a factory hitch. And I know the answer to this next question I think, because as you said in your post you buy Corvettes to drive, were your decals installed when you picked up the car?

      Kevin

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      • Kevin M.
        Expired
        • November 1, 2000
        • 1271

        #18
        Re: Another thought....

        Do you think that's the dealer zone and code for Crest Chevrolet below ST Louis?

        Kevin

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        • Curtis L.
          Expired
          • September 1, 2003
          • 0

          #19
          Re: NCRS Judging hypocrisy.

          Michael, as I understand, all factory accessorys not installed at the factory were to be installed as part of new vehicle prep. There was not such a thing as intalled per customer request as noted by others. Such as antenna, front spoiler, hitch wiring, trim rings. We are not talking dealer installed items such as luggage racks ect.. The items we are discussing are factory items.

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          • Patrick H.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • December 1, 1989
            • 11372

            #20
            Re: NCRS Judging hypocrisy.

            His car would be judged as it sits on the field and is presented.

            The window sticker and tank sticker are NEVER looked at in judging. He could put on any tires that were original to 1967, and get full points.

            I have had my 72 judged twice with original 1972 blackwall tires. In the spare tire tub is the original Firestone white letter spare tire. No deductions for the discrepancy, and in fact the tire issue (non-matching 5th tire) is specifically noted in the JG.

            Anyone can add any year-specific option to their car, and as long as it APPEARS factory installed, will get full credit.

            Patrick
            Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
            71 "deer modified" coupe
            72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
            2008 coupe
            Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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            • Michael H.
              Expired
              • January 29, 2008
              • 7477

              #21
              Re: NCRS Judging hypocrisy.

              Curtis,

              I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that the installation of pace car decals was not part of new car get ready. I know this to be true.

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              • Michael H.
                Expired
                • January 29, 2008
                • 7477

                #22
                Re: Another thought....

                If your car was equipped with ZN1, it had special suspension. This option did not include a trailer hitch, that I know of. This was common throughout the GM line. It was most commonly known as the trailer towing package. (springs-shocks) The trailer hitch and wiring harnesses were always supplied through the parts dept., not the assy plant, and could have been installed by the service dept prior to delivery. There would be absolutely no reason why a trailer hitch would ever have been at the St. Louis plant. They were never installed there.

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                • Verne Frantz

                  #23
                  Remenber one thing........

                  Chevrolet never built a Corvette to NCRS standards.

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                  • Kevin M.
                    Expired
                    • November 1, 2000
                    • 1271

                    #24
                    Re: Another thought....

                    Michael,

                    That was kind of my thought, when I ordered towing for my van it was a suspension package and I didn't get a hitch. The harness did come with the car from the factory in a plastic GM parts bag. I know the parts department didn't supply it, it was a dealer transfer and I picked up the van right after they washed it.

                    Kevin

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                    • Eric J.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • March 1, 1980
                      • 766

                      #25
                      I always love these can't win threads *NM*

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                      • Michael H.
                        Expired
                        • January 29, 2008
                        • 7477

                        #26
                        Re: Another thought....

                        Good point on the van and harness Kevin. Could be that the towing package, which would have been MUCH more common on a van, would have included the harness. I ordered that package on my S-10 Blazer but I don't remember if the harness came with it or not. I do know for sure that the hitch did not though.

                        The reason most GM trailer towing packages didn't include the harness was the fact that there were so many different types of plug connectors on trailers. Typically, the car end of the harness was installed by the same folks that installed the hitch and did the wiring on the trailer.

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                        • Eric J.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • March 1, 1980
                          • 766

                          #27
                          Re: Another thought....

                          My 96 Astro Van w/ trailer package cam with the harness tucked in the jack compartment. In a nice bag with a sheet on how to connect it to the main harness.

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                          • Michael H.
                            Expired
                            • January 29, 2008
                            • 7477

                            #28
                            Re: Another thought....

                            Eric,

                            I have to wonder if trailer wiring connector/wiring became more uniform, or standardized, as the years went by, and that's why mfg's are able to supply the harness with new vehicles today. I remember years ago, there were several different styles of connectors which would have made it difficult to supply any one style with a new vehicle. Would be a welcome federal standard as far as I'm concerned. Should have been standardized 40 years ago.

                            Was always fun to watch the guy at the trailer rental place trying to figure out all the wiring. They could never understand how only three active wires (the 4th was a ground) could make all those lamp functions operate.

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                            • William C.
                              NCRS Past President
                              • June 1, 1975
                              • 6037

                              #29
                              Re: Another thought....

                              Yes, there was a standard convention among the automakers around the late 1990's, the one that is in the glove box or wherever of a new GM car was designed by the group I was with just before I retired. One of the sales points we made to the truck group was that ford was already supplying one with their trailer package.
                              Bill Clupper #618

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                              • Michael H.
                                Expired
                                • January 29, 2008
                                • 7477

                                #30
                                Re: Another thought....

                                Thanks Bill. I remember round connectors, flat connectors, combination male/female and a host of others. It was NEVER the correct connector from one car to the next though. And the colors were always completely different too. Good that it's finally standardized throughout the industry.

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