Re-stamping pads

**Bill M.** · March 18, 2020, 12:53 PM

Re: Re-stamping pads

??????? dont follow you ? a few laughs once and a while!!

**Michael G.** · March 18, 2020, 05:27 PM

Re: Re-stamping pads

Originally posted by Bill McMorrow (15609)

??????? dont follow you ? a few laughs once and a while!!

**Gary J.** · March 18, 2020, 06:43 PM

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About what year did NCRS and Bloomington start branding the cars with bad trim tags?

**Edward D.** · March 18, 2020, 07:57 PM

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Back in the early 80's when I had my personal 66 apart for a ground up, I had the motor rebuilt (balance & blueprinted) by a well respected racing motor machine shop. After they had it apart, hot tanked, etc, they called and told me the flatness on the head surfaces were barely within spec, but they recommended decking. I asked what that would mean to the number stamps and they told me they would be machined off but "not to worry" since they could restamp that info on the machined pad. I told em no, since it was within spec leave it alone. This was perhaps the smartest decision I ever made during the resto of this car (which I still have). But it makes me wonder, how many other cars have had original motors rebuilt and decked & restamped during the rebuild process? The focus of NCRS and Bloomington judges on things like broach marks and stamp font etc these days may penalize those original motors that have been decked and significantly reduce vehicle value. But then again, the hobby aint really about "points", its about having fun driving and showing your car.

**Roy S.** · March 18, 2020, 08:59 PM

Re: Re-stamping pads

Originally posted by Edward Dupere (60605)

Back in the early 80's when I had my personal 66 apart for a ground up, I had the motor rebuilt (balance & blueprinted) by a well respected racing motor machine shop. After they had it apart, hot tanked, etc, they called and told me the flatness on the head surfaces were barely within spec, but they recommended decking. I asked what that would mean to the number stamps and they told me they would be machined off but "not to worry" since they could restamp that info on the machined pad. I told em no, since it was within spec leave it alone. This was perhaps the smartest decision I ever made during the resto of this car (which I still have). But it makes me wonder, how many other cars have had original motors rebuilt and decked & restamped during the rebuild process? The focus of NCRS and Bloomington judges on things like broach marks and stamp font etc these days may penalize those original motors that have been decked and significantly reduce vehicle value. But then again, the hobby aint really about "points", its about having fun driving and showing your car.

NCRS has never restricted you from the highest award because of a restamp, the point deduction is minimal does not even restrict you from Duntov.

Bloomington in other hand restricts you from their Gold award and technically the starred that in late seventies early eighties (even though their may have decades when they ignored the rule in their judging).

**Roy S.** · March 18, 2020, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Gary Jaynes (3503)

About what year did NCRS and Bloomington start branding the cars with bad trim tags?

Spring of 2010, trim tag producers were on fifth generation tag in 2000.

**Michael G.** · March 18, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Roy Sinor (2608)

Spring of 2010, trim tag producers were on fifth generation tag in 2000.

And its just plain amazing to me that they did such a bad job, so many times...

**James G.** · March 19, 2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Pancho Thompson (23103)

You can still put a period correct engine or even a non period correct engine and not worry about numbers on the pad. [ATTACH=CONFIG]97055[/ATTACH] But when someone does it in order to profit from other's lack of knowledge then we have an issue.

LOVE IT Pancho. A few feiends started the 65 FUEL INJECTION SURVEY IN 1977. Owners wondered why we wanted to look at and photograph the engine pad. We learned a lot in those early days

**Michael G.** · March 19, 2020, 09:59 PM

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**Pancho T.** · March 20, 2020, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by James Gessner (943)

LOVE IT Pancho. A few feiends started the 65 FUEL INJECTION SURVEY IN 1977. Owners wondered why we wanted to look at and photograph the engine pad. We learned a lot in those early days

Jim just think how valuable cars with original motors would be if there was a survey like '65 FI Injection for original motor cars

**Patrick H.** · March 20, 2020, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by Roy Sinor (2608)

NCRS has never restricted you from the highest award because of a restamp, the point deduction is minimal does not even restrict you from Duntov.

Bloomington in other hand restricts you from their Gold award and technically the starred that in late seventies early eighties (even though their may have decades when they ignored the rule in their judging).

With current BG award rules if you declare ahead of time that there is a restoration engine in the car, you can get a Gold but the award is noted to be with a non-OEM engine.

I have heard that if a non-OEM engine is detected in judging, owners "may" have the option of switching to the non-OEM award on the day of judging.

So, the Gold award is no longer restricted in the ways it was. You just receive an award noting that the car has a non-OEM engine.

**Dick W.** · March 20, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)

With current BG award rules if you declare ahead of time that there is a restoration engine in the car, you can get a Gold but the award is noted to be with a non-OEM engine.

I have heard that if a non-OEM engine is detected in judging, owners "may" have the option of switching to the non-OEM award on the day of judging.

So, the Gold award is no longer restricted in the ways it was. You just receive an award noting that the car has a non-OEM engine.

Pay yer money, git yer award

**Roy S.** · March 20, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Michael Garver (49693)

And its just plain amazing to me that they did such a bad job, so many times...

Shouldn’t be, thieves always do as little as possible to bilk people, they fixed each time what they heard was detectable so each new generation was in response to what they heard the problem was. When the trim tag book came out it was information overload, took a while after it before they regrouped and the players changed but there are undoubtedly tags out now that might pass even its published findings. I’m told those tags are expensive and still fail thorough analysis, just as the first generations of reproduction trim tags did.

And we both remember a 435 or two that the stamp was so bad that no one could believe it was a restamp... Stamper made obvious mistakes to take the attention off what was wrong

**Rick A.** · March 20, 2020, 01:58 PM

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"It's All in the Game"

**William F.** · March 20, 2020, 03:30 PM

Re: Why not "re-stamp" everything?

How many auction cars (or just maybe, some sold by dealers or individuals) give "full disclosure" ??

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