Fraud on the EEEE???

[Don H.]

Re: Fraud on the EEEE???

It is inconceivable to me that anyone with access to this board (ie. a member of NCRS) is un-educated as to collectible corvettes. Some of us are new to the hobby, and many here have forgotten far far more than some of us will ever know. It may be a good thing to post a note re. a questionable or fraudulent ad running somewhere in the wide world of collectible corvette horse-trading. Just maybe someone will see your post and not make a mistake. YOu have sounded the alarm on this one. Now, to keep banging away on this particular car to me is silliness. As was previously said, Ebay is a shyster's paradise. This car is very little different than many of the other cars up for sale on EBay. Most people can spot the tell tale signs of a questionable car pretty easily if they know anything at all about that kind of car.

This guy and this car are like an itch you cannot scratch. This guy is not going to be busted for fraud. Believe me, I know. If everyone who misrepresents something on EBay has to go to jail, I don't know who won't be in jail.

Again, all this is is free advice. Save your sanity, and move on.

[Bruce B.]

Re: Fraud on the EEEE???

The rule of thumb when buying most anything anywhere is BUYER BEWARE.

The particular seller in question has been selling on Ebay for years.
He has changed his seller ID many times so he can start over and over again with a clean record.

Look at his other auctions and see what junk he typically sells.

You can sometimes get a pretty good deal, but BUYER BEWARE...

[Tom S.]

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All I am trying to do is report the frauds that I know of. I hope my posts will save someone some heartache and turn them off with our hobby.Fraud is not right if it is bank fraud or car fraud. This fellow would not give me his last name,I wonder why? I don't feel I am wasting my time, if I can prevent one person from getting taken I feel it is worth the few minutes it takes to check some of this stuff out. Tom Stanton

[Ronald L.]

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Tom,

open up a chat session with ebay motors, you have to ask the 1st person to send you there, start with the item number and then go into detail, see if live the flee takes this serious. Anyone here reading this thread ONLY now knows this guy is crook. Unfortunately ebay is set up for slippery sellers in that they can block buyers they don't like, but the ability to block crooked sellers is not possible. But then again if you did not see time & time again the crookedness most would not know the reputation...

[Pat M.]

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I appreciate your efforts, Tom. Keep up the good fight.

[Don H.]

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All I am trying to do is report the frauds that I know of. I hope my posts will save someone some heartache and turn them off with our hobby.Fraud is not right if it is bank fraud or car fraud. This fellow would not give me his last name,I wonder why? I don't feel I am wasting my time, if I can prevent one person from getting taken I feel it is worth the few minutes it takes to check some of this stuff out. Tom Stanton

yes my friend, yes, you are without doubt an upstanding fellow and an outstanding example for others to emulate when it comes to integrity. I have read now what you want to do at least a dozen times in this thread. What I am saying, now for about the fourth time I guess, is that you are howling at the moon. Repeatedly shouting out on this forum "Fraud on EBay!, Fraud on EBay!" is akin to repeatedly posting "the sun is up in daytime, and it's dark in nighttime". Most adults who buy things are pretty savvy about EBay since it has been around about fifteen years now. And, no one is here on this forum without first paying to join NCRS, and therefore is highly likely to have at least minimum knowledge of older vettes. The chances are very slim that you are actually warning someone on this blog away from buying a bogus car. The car in question maybe worth $50K to one person in 100. It may only be worth $20K to the other 99. There is no fraud here. The seller is offering something of value for a price. The seller can describe what he has anyway he wants to. If you decide that his description is factually false, that's fine, you can do that. Someone else may think it's true. Just because you say it's false does not make it so. If I say it's false does not make it so. Only a judge could ultimately make a decision on the matter, and this transaction if it ever occurs ain't going to end up in any courtroom. The guy is offering a genuine corvette for sale, and if anyone ever buys it, they are going to get a genuine corvette (I assume). It ain't a fake corvette. It's not like a chinese Rolex. It is a real corvette. The way this car is represented is the way that almost every older corvette for sale on EBay is described. Few if any of them actually conform precisely with the description. No one at eBay is ever going to care about this transaction, because there is nothing wrong with it, other than the reserve is too high. EBay would like the car to sell, so they can collect their fee.

(of course, all the above being said, if you want to keep posting in this thread that there is a fraudulently represented red corvette on EBay and the EBay car ad police should take action, you have every right to do so. I will not try again to dissuade you. All the best,,,)

[Patrick T.]

Re: Fraud on the EEEE???

Don's post above is right on the money and I totally agree with him. Also, I think I know who the seller is and you definitely don't want him mad at you!

[Brian M.]

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I'm with Don also, relax Tom.