Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event?

[Joe L.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

If 5 owners of cars with original blocks and 5 owners of cars with non original blocks were discussing the importance of an original block, I wonder which owners would be on which side of the debate?

Michael------


Well, I have the original engine for my car (rebuilt and temporarily stored). Every external component is "numbers matching" right down to the engine having the original waterpump. I have the original starter, original alternator, original distributor, original carburetor and just about every original piece of engine peripherals, too. However, I still say that it's configuration that's most important and not "matching numbers". "Matching numbers" is nice to have but it's FAR from being all-important or as significant as some folks think it is, at least in my opinion. And, I have not changed my opinion recently. I've held the same opinion for as long as I can remember.

[Steven C.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

NCRS dose not judge the transmission or rear end for #'S. If the engine code is for a auto. & the car has a 4- speed it would be big point loss.
KEN

Ken I have to disagree with you. If I can see it, I will judge it.

[Tracy C.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

If 5 owners of cars with original blocks and 5 owners of cars with non original blocks were discussing the importance of an original block, I wonder which owners would be on which side of the debate?

Michael, are these owners buying or selling the cars in question??

[Carl N.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

Frank,

I'll take a different approach - and will catch some flack -

I like to drive my cars and while I do have the upmost respect for originality, I do enjoy driving the car(s) so I have radial tires, a current design battery, reliable ignition system and other wear components on the car(s).

I have removed the date coded F41 shocks, 42 Amp alternator, bias tires and have not taken it to an event in years - even to the parking lot.

I just don't need all the hatefull comments about how "wrong" the car is and how could anyone in his/her right mind do what I have done to the car(s).

I know what matches and what does not, I also know every bolt, nut, wire and flaw the car has and with that said I find much more pleasure in driving than the rigors of judging.

I will agree with some of the comments above and suggest a Chaper meet at least once just to experience what it is all about - then you can determine if flight judging is for you!

Carl

[Michael H.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

Michael, are these owners buying or selling the cars in question??

Aaahhhh, yes, now that you mention it, five of those ten people were selling the cars.

[Tracy C.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

Frank,

I just don't need all the hatefull comments about how "wrong" the car is and how could anyone in his/her right mind do what I have done to the car(s).

Carl

Carl, If you get any hateful comments from members or judges at an NCRS meet, find the judging chairman and tell him what happened so he can correct/discipline the offending "dipschit".

You might hear negative comments at your local street show, but I doubt if you hear negative comments from the NCRS judges who will be evaluating your car.

tc

[Tom P.]

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-----------------------------------------You might hear negative comments at your local stree show, but I doubt if you hear negative comments from the NCRS judges who will be evaluating your car.
tc

GUESS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's one of the SPECIFIC reasons why I take jabs at NCRS every chance I get!
I SERIOUSLY doubt if it is because of me (likely not) but it is becoming more evident that NCRS in general is making strides to eliminate their previous (negative) attitudes toward owenrs of non NCRS correct cars. But damage control is still needed!

[Frank M.]

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Thanks for the input I will try to make one of the events.

Frank

[Paul H.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

I get just as much enjoyment out of driving my non original motor car as I do my original motor cars. I like them to look correct and drive the way they should. Plenty of room at NCRS events for every Corvette whether you choose to have it judged or not.

[Paul J.]

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However, I still say that it's configuration that's most important and not "matching numbers". "Matching numbers" is nice to have but it's FAR from being all-important or as significant as some folks think it is, at least in my opinion.

Now if you could convince the collectors who grossly over-inflate the value of "matching numbers" cars.

[Jerry W.]

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To me....Joe is right-on with his view point " original configuration is the most important aspect for a restored or original Corvette-----"

Some of the Corvettes I've seen over on the CF are not in original configuration and they are amazing....and....some of the top flight NCRS Corvettes i've seen are amazing

The two factions and view points have one thing in common....We are passionate about and love our Corvettes.....to each his own.

[Ridge K.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

One of the most interesting threads I read in quite some time....

What the thread has done, is highlight the subtle changing inner core viewpoint of the club .... in my opinion. One other clear sign was the recent election wins of three new directors. Three new directors who by every account I've heard, ...are excellent folks, yet didn't have widely recognized household names. The silent majority spoke.

With right at 16,000 members, including many younger members ..... other viewpoints are coming to the forefront. My own opinion is that this is a very healthy thing. While the time-tested mission of the NCRS should, and will be respected and protected, it is now recognized that not everyone in the club wishes to own a trailer queen or untouched "survivor".
One of the best "twists ..... if you will" I've seen, is the clarification not long ago that paint finish should in fact appear as ....original finish. Formerly, many judges felt like only lacquer paint should clear judging. A positive clarification as we finaly moved into the 21st century.

The mighty ship is still firmly on course, but those rowing down below in the ship have made a slight course correction.
Ridge

[Jack H.]

Re: Would it be worthwhile to bring a non-matching numbers corvette to any NCRS event

I have never had my car judged and probably never will even though 99+% of the parts are not just number matching, but the exact same part that the car left the factory with. The car is no doubt a survivor but certainly not Top Flight since there is the normal wear of a car almost 50 years old with 125,000 miles.

That said, i still believe that Top Flight should be reserved for the cars that are just that, the best of the best. That means numbers matching, dated coded, etc. Just as they drove off the assembly line. Doesn't mean a non-top flight car isn't just as enjoyable and fun. Certainly most of us drive a non-top flight car and it's only us Corvette nerds that can tell the difference anyway.

My hats off to anyone that puts forth the time, money and effort to achieve the top award.

[Richard M.]

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In '08 I took my '59 to the Regionals in Kissimmee. I've owned it 25 years now. I drove it 100 miles there. It's NOM, '61 dual-four hi-lift cam engine got comments like......"Rich, this is NICE! You did a good job. We hate to deduct for the wrong date but we have to". Judges were great.

I went there to learn and have fun. I recommend to anyone to bring their NOM car to a Chapter or even a Regional. Work on the other stuff to save points. Without looking at dates my "driver" was in good company with those trailered.

I got a 3rd Flight, was elated, and happy I took it there....actually I just missed 2nd Flight. The Florida Chapter and all of the NCRS folks were great. Past Thread Here.

Rich

[Chris H.]

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Jack, sounds like a neat car you have. I think you'd be presently surprised how well your car would do in Flight judging since it emphasizes Originality over Condition.

If not Flight judging, I would certainly encourage you to pursue the Bowtie award (Survivor) which I think is more prestigious anyway.