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  • Michael G.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • November 12, 2008
    • 2155

    Negativity

    I know I’m not moderator, but I’d like to comment on the general state of our discussions here:

    One of the things that has become rampant on internet forums and such is the tendency toward negativity. Raise any subject on line and the “haters” come out of the woodwork, leading not to discussions, but out-and-out arguments. In my opinion, such arguments make miserable reading, so I don’t go to a lot of locations on the internet.

    Historically, I have not seen a lot of that negativity here, but lately it seems to be creeping into some of our threads. One subject that tends to bring out the negativity is any mention at all of General Motors or the new Corvette. Some people, for whatever reason (and there are plenty of reasons) just hate GM and anything it does, or did. Much of that vitriol is probably deserved, but, candidly, I worked for that company for many years and while working there I heard enough complaints to last a lifetime, so, I don’t need to see variations on that theme rehashed here.

    That’s just one example though, and there is at least one other thread here today where negativity abounds. In that regard, remember that very, very few of our subjects are absolute, so there is room for opinion on both sides, without having to gain the upper hand in the discussion. Of course, everyone has issues they feel strongly about, but, advocacy has its limits, and those limits should be set at the point where your belief in a particular “truth” starts to be offensive to others. There are places for that extreme advocacy, this is just not one of them. Sometime or another, everyone is wrong, they don’t need to be debased for it here.

    I’d just like to ask everyone here to comment with respect for other posters and not assume this is a battle to be won or lost in print. Part of the NCRS motto is “friends”, we should do our best to keep it that way.

    Thanks for listening,
  • Michael J.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • January 27, 2009
    • 7073

    #2
    Re: Negativity

    Can't disagree with any of that. There are certain subjects that bring out "emotions", yes the C7 is one. But the discussions here have been very tame and even respectful, compared the wars raging on that other Corvette Forum. And as a member of the Mustang Club of America, the very same type of discussions are happening over there about the new Mustang being designed and about to be unveiled. We car lovers love our cars, and our opinions about them as well, we just need to remember they are opinions, not scientific facts.
    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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    • Rich G.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • August 31, 2002
      • 1396

      #3
      Re: Negativity

      I agree. Creeping in is the right phrase. I don't remember this being an issue and I have been here for 10 years. Lately there are comments made that just didn't have to be said. Glad you brought it up. I thought it was just me.

      Rich
      1966 L79 Convertible. Milano Maroon
      1968 L71 Coupe. Rally Red (Sold 6/21)
      1963 Corvair Monza Convertible

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      • Tom R.
        Expired
        • December 20, 2010
        • 177

        #4
        Re: Negativity

        Well said Mike. I debated for a while whether to comment or not, for fear of being flamed for some reason. When I post on this or the other site I regularly use, I either am asking for help or direction or providing an answer to someone who is lost far worse than me. I consider myself pretty much a seasoned mechanic with over 50 years of wrenching on this or that, and like to help others. But I find myself reading anything I want to post over and over before I click the "send" button to see if there's anything at all controversial in what I'm saying. I avoid argument. I just don't like it. And I work really hard to not anger someone even though I read lots of posts with erroneous info, poorly worded answers, misspellings and plain old egregious or inflammatory language that I would like to correct. I turn and walk the other way instead of jumping into the fray. I hope this classy place pretty much stays the way it has been where our Moderators are on top of poor behavior. Thank you to them.

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        • John D.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • December 1, 1979
          • 5507

          #5
          Re: Negativity

          Michael, You have hidden talent. Written like a pro and much appreciated.
          "Why can't we all just get along".
          Thanks again, John

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          • Dick W.
            Former NCRS Director Region IV
            • June 30, 1985
            • 10483

            #6
            Re: Negativity

            As a moderator I will offer this, some posts have been removed for exactly what you are taking about and there are a couple of posters on the TDB that are on very thin ice, take that comment for what it's worth, one came very close to being barred for comments made this week.
            Dick Whittington

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            • Domenic T.
              Expired
              • January 29, 2010
              • 2452

              #7
              Re: Negativity

              Dick,
              Got a few thinking there!! Do they get a private proper warning?

              I found myself hurt by a reply one day for being honest about my car as I saved it from extinction in 1971. I bought it from JD corvette as they started to part it out. The comments actually made me very short that day with people that I cared for as one seemed to question my reason for being truthfull on the forum.
              I was new and a member chimed in and straightened a few negative people out. Thanks to him I felt welcome again.
              I have had phone calls from some great guys that refuse to share their tallents on the forum. They called me/E-mailed me directly to help rather than post their opinion on the forum.

              DOM

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              • Ken A.
                Very Frequent User
                • July 31, 1986
                • 929

                #8
                Re: Negativity

                Just start a topic of with "oil, fuel, engine, or camshaft" recommendations & watch the pot boil. A lot of "facts" come from articles a poster has studied and are now absolute truths, but with good intentions. Too bad we can't get some former GM engineers to chime in with their knowledge but luckily we do have some old GM guys who seem to know their stuff. Just sayin...........

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                • Michael J.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • January 27, 2009
                  • 7073

                  #9
                  Re: Negativity

                  Originally posted by Domenic Tallarita (51287)
                  Dick,
                  I have had phone calls from some great guys that refuse to share their tallents on the forum. They called me/E-mailed me directly to help rather than post their opinion on the forum.

                  DOM
                  +1, much gets accomplished in PMs and emails/calls, maybe more than on the TDB.
                  Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                  • Bob I.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • November 9, 2006
                    • 265

                    #10
                    Re: Negativity

                    Originally posted by Ken Anderson (10232)
                    Just start a topic of with "oil, fuel, engine, or camshaft" recommendations & watch the pot boil. A lot of "facts" come from articles a poster has studied and are now absolute truths, but with good intentions. Too bad we can't get some former GM engineers to chime in with their knowledge but luckily we do have some old GM guys who seem to know their stuff. Just sayin...........

                    I find that FACTS vs OPINIONS brings it out. I guess its the opinions, that don't understand the facts, or they just like to slow done the discussion. Leave your ego at home, so the rest of us that are interested in the discussion can move forward in normal manner.

                    Bob

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                    • Michael H.
                      Expired
                      • January 29, 2008
                      • 7477

                      #11
                      Re: Negativity

                      Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                      +1, much gets accomplished in PMs and emails/calls, maybe more than on the TDB.
                      That's a good idea but one problem is that you only get one opinion. I would rather post and get a range of opinions and then make a decision from there.

                      Everyone here is an expert on at least one subject but if you ask what color is best, there will be a variety of opinions.

                      There are a few here that seem to think there is no other way but their way.

                      I would rather have someone say "this is the way I do it" instead of saying this is the way everyone should do it.

                      "I use 10-1 CR pistons so everyone else should too" is not a discussion. It's a "I know everything so don't argue with me".

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                      • Jerry B.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • August 31, 1994
                        • 416

                        #12
                        Re: Negativity

                        Perfect Well said. Everybody has the right to state "their" opinions.

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                        • Gary C.
                          Administrator
                          • October 1, 1982
                          • 17549

                          #13
                          Re: Negativity

                          Differences of opinion are one thing - but no one has the right to disparage another member on the NCRS Technical Discussion Board!

                          Gary
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                          • Michael H.
                            Expired
                            • January 29, 2008
                            • 7477

                            #14
                            Re: Negativity

                            Originally posted by Gary Chesnut (5895)
                            Differences of opinion are one thing - but no one has the right to disparage another member on the NCRS Technical Discussion Board!

                            Gary
                            ....
                            Admin
                            Yup, my point exactly.

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                            • Michael G.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • November 12, 2008
                              • 2155

                              #15
                              Re: Negativity

                              As Michael stated, a lot of us here are experts in one area or another. As such, I think we get used to people treating us with deference in regard to our field of expertise. On line, everyone is equal, nobody knows (or particularly
                              cares) about your expertise. There are no resumes attached, so other posters assume they are on equal footing and are entitled to equal consideration of their opinions. For some, that's hard to handle, but I think its great, even though sometimes I find myself having to stop my fingers in mid air to keep from typing a curt response to someone who I think has no clue what they are talking about.

                              That negative response would be fruitless, though, as nobody posts unless they're sure they know what they're talking about, even if they don't. I long ago determined that arguing with someone on line gets you nowhere, so it's best to just back off and let it be. Disparagement is rude and accomplishes nothing. More importantly, the other poster is usually trying his or her best to help, even if their opinion is a bit off base. I let the person asking the question sort it out. If you've made your point eloquently, they'll choose your reply, if not, their wheel will probably fall off, but at least you tried.

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